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‪Brain Allergy and ASD‬: B12/folate connection?

Discussion in 'Detox: Methylation; B12; Glutathione; Chelation' started by ahmo, Jan 21, 2014.

  1. ahmo

    ahmo Senior Member

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    ‪T. Theoharides, MD, PhD‬ is an immunologist and pharmacologist. He's been specializing in mast cell disorders. The linked video was made shortly after another presentation of his re mast cell disorders and the much higher rate of them than the medical world recognizes. In this presentation to an autism group, he presents research by his team and others that shows 1) the existence of mast cells in the brain, 2) the observation that mitochondria is leaking, or being propelled, out of cells, which had not been observed before, and 3), that these mitochondrial bits then precipitate inflammatory responses: brain fog, irritability, emotional outbursts.

    Next they need to understand why this is happening. Makes me ask whether the missing link here might be the elements of the Deadlock Quartet? ahmo

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=9QbZp3WcC1Q

    His website: http://mastcellmaster.com/publications.php
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    Hi, this is very interesting to me as I have Aspergers, what appears to be mito issues (even my family history fits is red flag for mito problem) and my uncle has a severe mast cell disorder (systemic mastocytosis). His daughter has symptoms like me. I can get massive emotional outbursts if I eat the wrong things, Im on a very strict diet.

    I have a folate issue . double copy of the worst MTHFR polymorphism.
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    the observation that mitochondria is leaking, or being propelled, out of cells, which had not been observed before

    There is evidence that mitochondria have a halflife and turnover rate of perhaps 71 days or so, based on my calculations attempting a pharmacokinetic modeling of the body's b12 compartments. The appearance is that the body is excreting about 1% of serum cobalamin per day but as it gets lower, it levels out having the appearance of almost no net loss despite the continued bile excretion. This generally appears to have been considered as the "release of b12 from the body's b12 store" along with muscle/tissue atrophy. In the vegetarian world there is the "7th year crash" and the 20th year crash", again being attributed to the release of the body's stores.

    Lack of carnitine appears to be the key in that it appears to have started mitochondrial proliferation, in conjunction of the other deadlock quartet elements, in me first, and then muscle growth, in two distinct steps. The mitochondrial proliferation appears to be a different folate layer of the triage process from the muscle growth turning on.
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    @Freddd "serum"? What serum are you referring to in post #3?
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    Body based blood serum cobalamin. I left a word out and have corrected it.
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    Hi to all, I m a fen of dr. Theoharidies and Freddd here also. I'm sure the quartet is what Freddd said to be.

    But I want to share and my experience here. The mastocitosis, mine and my son, happens to stop when initiating enemas with MMS (CD). Those enemas showed me pretty clear that we are victims of the newly found rope parasite. It is found by engineers, and still not by medicine. For an year on enemas and investigating the ropes coming out, I'm sure it is alive and it is a parasite.
    You don't know how spread this rope is..... Autism kids have it and Kerri Rivera is curing them with CD.

    Here are links to more info:
    http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1301/1301.0953.pdf

    http://arxiv.org/ftp/arxiv/papers/1301/1301.0953.pdf

    http://funisvermis.netai.net/

    http://www.eng.usf.edu/~volinsky/MovingFunisVermis.mp4

    http://funisvermis.netai.net/HayHouseRadioDonnaGatesAlexVolinsky.mp3

    http://www.oneradionetwork2.com/mp3/health/challenges/10.29.13_volinsky_alex_rope_worms_one.mp3

    http://www.oneradionetwork2.com/mp3/health/challenges/10.29.13_volinsky_alex_rope_worms_two.mp3



    http://www.chronicdiseaseresearchfoundation.org/


    http://oneradionetwork.com/health/r...ction-december-12-2013/#.UqoGm8dsock.facebook
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    The rope worm does look like a parasite, but there's no proof that it is alive. The piece of information that they are using to claim it is alive is that it expels air bubbles. That's not proof of being alive. If there is air trapped inside the mass of whatever it is, heat and/or pressure can make it expand and move.

    They do not test the material that the rope worm is made of, but they are trying to collect thousands of dollars to do more genetic testing on it.

    Kerri Rivera's protocol may be showing improvement for autistic children, but don't forget it also includes many, many hours in a hyperbaric chamber, which may or may not work and costs mucho dinero.

    I also suggest to anyone who is interested in trying MMS to please find out why it makes gout symptoms WORSE, and why according to Kerri Rivera you are not supposed to take Vitamin A, Vitamin C, and other antioxidants while using it.

    And PS: You don't need to use MMS to get rope worms out. Gubarev, the Russian who writes about them doesn't even mention MMS as one of the remedies. One of the enemas he mentions is milk with salt, and another is eucalyptus oil. Lemon juice is supposed to work well, too. Whatever they are, getting them out is a good thing, but instead of being a cause of illness I would bet that they are a byproduct.
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    I would like to mention the herb wormwood that has been used for probably millennia against all sorts of parasites. It is currently one of the mainstays against malaria as well and has been used in herbal medicines for a long time. As the say absinthe makes the heart grow fonder.
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    Violeta, I don't want to discuss with negatively charged people the theme. As I said, for a year of experiments with myself and my child, I'm pretty sure that it is alive. Mms is killing it and it is coming 6 hours after enema with CD. I can describe all my experience here but threre is no need. Everyone who has eyes can see the true. If someone is concerned about his health he could check easily and then decide what to do. I'm not following the parasite protocols, nighter Kerriy's... I'm doing my own research for now. I do not need to argue with anyone or to prove it.
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    @newradost

    That's a good way to evade answering my questions. Infer that I am negatively charged! What are the experiments you have been doing for a year that make you think it is alive? You expect to make statements, and then if anyone asks questions concerning those statements, you say something rude about the person instead of answering the question.
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    I highly recommend everyone to do its own experiments.

    I haven't seen any question marks in your post @Violeta
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    That's the problem. (RE: I highly recommend everyone to do its own experiments).

    Many people here have tried many protocols and treatments without success.
    They have spent money and time without results.

    That's why when someone shares a 'cure' or treatment that works we need information.
    Many here share freely all that they know about various treatments and protocols.

    These are often held up to scrutiny and critiqued.
    An ad hominem response makes you seem evasive.

    We should all do our own research but why not share what you've learned here. People can be made worse by treatments too so we are all looking for good information that we can have some confidence in if we are going to try something.
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    I don't have an opinion re rope parasites. Australian toilets don't fill with water until flushing, unlike US which are filled w/ water, so there's not an easy way to see this. Anyway, FWIW I wanted to note here that I've been using oregano oil in my enemas to reduce bacterial load. It's not the only strategy I'm using. But what I wanted to share is that a dropper full of oregano oil is not at all irritating. I would not have predicted this. So I use a dropper full in each of the 2-3 water enemas preceding my coffee enema. cheers, ahmo
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    I don't have something to share. I'm just an ordinary person. My path is not enough evidence for you so everybody should gain some experience. An year and a half before I was very uncertain and have many questions without anyone could answer me. I'm pretty sure now, but what makes me so confident will not have the same value in from of you because it is not proved by the science... So what can I do is to share that many many people are 100% sure they their families are rope victims and their children are autistic because ot it. I'm in touch with all this society. My experience is very rich, following the moon cycle and labs test etc but you sould take this for granted because there is no way to translate my experience to you. You should make your own.

    I have listed here all the links that contain some useable knowledge.

    I'm not offering any protocol and do not promise you to get better. I just share that it is happening to us. What I m telling is that enema with MMS values more than labs and the result is very fast in regards to the rope parasite.
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    leela Slow But Hopeful

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    I would suggest that one take into account that english is not everyone's first language and some things may read in a way they were not intended as a result of this. I would gently urge everyone to reconnect at the basis as fellow patients with a wide spectrum of experience that will rarely if ever be in 100% concordance.
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    You know it's kind of funny but all I had said was some information that I had found about MMS and the rope worm, and she certainly could have responded to what I said with more knowledge instead of saying that I had a negative charge. And actually, newradost said 'oh my god you're so lost' on another thread where I merely recommended that one should find out why MMS makes gout worse and why one should not take Vitamins A, C, and other antioxidants.

    There's a lot of other points that I could raise about MMS, but you won't find people that recommend it that are willing to even try to address them. We don't all have time to investigate every supplement that comes along, but MMS is actually one that I have used and took the time to research. If anyone is interested, I can continue.

    Not to mention that the people who are saying that the rope worm is alive are trying to collect $300 per person that they contact in order to do DNA research on it is in my opinion a scam.


    So to imply that I overreacted in this case doesn't make sense. Just the fact that she implied that I was arguing and that's why she didn't want to talk about it anymore makes me think we're not talking about language barrier here. Saying 'oh my god you're so lost' has nothing to do with language barrier.
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    One thing that I had learned about MMS when I was taking it is that you're not supposed to take Vitamin A, C, or any other antioxidant, or you will nullify it's action. The reason is that MMS is an oxidant, and so adding in antioxidants just balances out it's oxidative process. When you consider that one of the bonuses of getting methylation going is raising glutathione levels, taking MMS is the antithesis.

    So when considering whether to take MMS or not, you have to make a decision of whether to go at your health problems by killing off bad guys and while doing so reducing global antioxidant levels or raising antioxidant levels such as Vitamin C, Vitamin A, and glutathione, etc.
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    Thanks for this clarification Violeta. Several years ago I did a course of MMS, orally. I don't know whether it helped or not, as nothing really helped until I changed my diet and started Freddd's Protocol. I continued on with my progress to a pretty significant dose, but the taste was so vile that I lost my appetite, and then weight that I could not afford to lose. I quit after about a month. cheers, ahmo
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    Hi Violeta,

    It seems like you answered your earlier question of why a person shouldn't take Vitamin A, C or other antioxidants while simultaneously taking MMS which is a pro-oxidant. Would that be correct to assume? --- My own understanding is that MMS's pro-oxidant qualities dissipate within a couple hours or so. So when I go into a cycle of doing MMS on a daily basis (to kill Lyme bacteria and/or other pathogens), I generally take a fraction of a drop every hour or so for the morning hours.

    I then follow with my anti-oxidant therapies, usually starting about noon and lasting through the end of the day. Liposomal vitamin C is my primary anti-oxidant these days, and I generally start this by early afternoon after doing my morning MMS. I feel this Lipo C not only helps clean up some of the "debris" created by pathogenic dieoff from the MMS, but because it's a potent viricide, bacteriacide, and parasiticde, continues to kill unwanted "guests" in my body. --- I once read something like, "disease has weight". So it would seem. MMS & Lipo C are two of my primary ways of combatting some of this weight.

    You mentioned your own experiences with MMS. I would be most interested in hearing more about them. If you've posted about them before, I understand you may not have the energy and/or want to do that again.

    Best, Wayne
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    Oh Violeta ... As a matter of fact Tha famous "oh my God you are so lost" is referring to the fact that I wasn't following the discussion here for months and when I enter to see what is happening, I found all of you discussing MMS. It wasn't my point at all. I don't know why you are not following me. I'm not taking MMS, I'm using it only for enemas, because it really kills the rope. So I recommend it as a diagnostic tool for let say 5 enema interactions just to see if you had worm or not. There other enema methods listed also. Then everyone should decide what to do with its own health. There is no known cure for the rope at this stage.
    I'm not Interested to respond to what you say with more knowledge because I don't want a discussion. I'm not a scientist and I don't have enough time or interest for this.

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