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‘Matter over mind: The strange case of the ME study’ | WDDTY magazine | October 2016

Discussion in 'General ME/CFS News' started by Tom Kindlon, Oct 8, 2016.

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    Reading it, I had assumed that they'd spoken to Tom.

    Some off details in that too.

    They needed you to put them straight Tom!
     
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    This magazine is notorious for being full of scare-mongering & pseudoscience. It's terrible. If I knew nothing about me/PACE, and saw this published there, I'd assume the criticisms were unfounded. It's good the word is getting out there but it's a shame it's through this particular publication!
     
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    Glycon World's Most Dangerous Hand Puppet

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    The magazine's title is a dead giveaway, even if one is not acquainted with the contents.
     
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    We can expect anti-doctor and anti-psychiatry groups to pick this up more and more, though its also the case that more moderate and careful media will also do so. On the specific publication (WTDDTY) I have nothing to say as I have not investigated myself. I will say that the public needs to be educated about the medical system, including its failings, as do doctors themselves. As long as the reporting is accurate I am not much worried about articles in more dubious media sources, and this looks like a good article. If it gets too hyped then I become worried, for just as we were against the PACE findings for rational reasons, so we should be against anti-PACE hype. The facts are enough.
     
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    TiredSam The wise nematode hibernates

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    The biographical details looked like a paraphrasing of those in the David Tuller article, I'd guess they mainly copied that, changed it a bit, and threw in a couple of other things they found from other sources. Kind of on the level of a lazy student.

    From David Tuller:

    From WDDTY:

    Looks like you've got a year older (43 to 44) and gone from "bulky" to "strapping", so good for you :).
     
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    Glycon World's Most Dangerous Hand Puppet

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    That, Sir, is an excellent post! :thumbsup:
     
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  9. Tom Kindlon

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    Somebody sent me this:
    I don't feel inclined to do it myself at the moment but somebody else could if they wanted.
     
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    Given that a comment above shows the article is basically plagiarised from David Tuller's one, a reckon he's not a good 'journalist' to target.

    Out of interest, is Ben Goldacre & the All Trials campaign aware of the re-analysis? Given their aims are for all trials to be published & the data made available, a large-scale studying fighting not to release their data, then when that data is re-analysed it shows their conclusions were wrong, seems right up their street.
     
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    Valentijn The Diabolic Logic

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    Goldacre's chummy with Wessely, and completely refuses to engage regarding PACE.
     
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    Urgh. That's disappointing. I respected Goldacre as a doctor campaigning for science before vested interests. I guess not.
     
  13. Valentijn

    Valentijn The Diabolic Logic

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    Yeah, a lot of people feel the same way. The hashtag #AllTrialsButPACE was fairly popular among ME twitter users for a while :p
     
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    Somebody has told me it has now appeared in the Polish edition of the magazine:
    http://oczymlekarze.pl/profilaktyka...-nad-umyslem-zawiklana-historia-badan-nad-cfs
     
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