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  1. Little running man

    CFS/overtraining

    That is my point .....I want them to test for other things to discount them before saying its CFS. My dr was happy to say CFS without any further tests than the blood tests already done. That can't be right, can it? But maybe I'm just being selfish in expecting them to discount other things...
  2. Little running man

    CFS/overtraining

    I just looked at PEMs and it suggested that we get fatigued we drop off the exercise so lose condition. Therefore when we try again we are quicker to fatigue! However in CFS patients asked to do the same activity 2 days running the results get worse and in nine CFS patients they normally...
  3. Little running man

    CFS/overtraining

    I did from time to time but I don't find it accurate enough as its affected by too many things. However my max heart rate is 189 bpm which was flat out in a sports science lab test. My 1st run Saturday at 7:49 mm pace (slow for me) was average 169 bpm and max 182 bpm the following day at...
  4. Little running man

    CFS/overtraining

    Yes that's me ....I keep testing then resting. The only pain I have is the normal muscle pain after not running for 5 weeks and from my 1st gym session in years!!! I feel ok at the moment but am really conscious of not overdoing it but still needing to see I I am actually ok or not after...
  5. Little running man

    CFS/overtraining

    That sounds very similar to me. Though no headaches or pain. I tried the gym yesterday. Low intensity work and felt ok. I may try swimming as well though I'm not a fan. I also wasn't training for a sub 3 marathon then decided to go for it close to the day so my speed increased dramatically...
  6. Little running man

    CFS/overtraining

    Thanks panda, it's hard to rant/moan when you know you've been through worse than I am at the moment. Thanks for caring X
  7. Little running man

    CFS/overtraining

    I know you're right but I can't accept I won't run/cycle again. I know I may have to accept it eventually but I'm not ready to yet. I just can't understand why the dr won't look down the sports route. I've asked to see a sports specialist dr. I'm not holding my breath but I'll keep asking...
  8. Little running man

    CFS/overtraining

    I'm not liking the dismal results that this link suggests! I'm pinning all my hopes on this test!
  9. Little running man

    CFS/overtraining

    Thanks......as you can see I'm not very good with technology and I'm getting confused answering every comment! I didn't realise I had another thread, I thought it was all one
  10. Little running man

    CFS/overtraining

    I really hope that something turns up to fix this. At the moment I'm very lucky as I'm much better off than you guys. I can still function normally. Albe it with a bit of fatigue/ tiredness but not bad really. I think that's why I'm banking on OTS/adrenal fatigue.....but only time will tell...
  11. Little running man

    CFS/overtraining

    I'm thinking there's a link to the chronic diseases like rheaumatoid arthritis that brings on or incorporates CFS as well. My wife has RA and is fatigued all the time. Practically bed bound most days and uses a wheel chair (though she puts the fatigue down to pain/drugs) .........now what's the...
  12. Little running man

    CFS/overtraining

    I also had my thyroid tested .....I asked for results and they said 'normal' but normal could be 3-20 (just a example) so a 4 would be normal but still very low and they wouldn't treat you for it. Yet a 4 could respond to drugs and cure it. Also different counties have different ranges of normal...
  13. Little running man

    CFS/overtraining

    Sports Drs believe in it!!! My dr didn't seem to know much about OTS at all and without me bringing it up wouldn't have considered it. There's also a lot of Drs don't believe in CFS. But if you think of the small number of people that get to the latter stages of OTS that get correctly diagnosed...
  14. Little running man

    CFS/overtraining

    The one he's sending me for (somebody put a link on this thread) is to test cortisol response. What I read was its a blood test to check cortisol levels then the spike you with a injection before re testing your blood to see if the adrenal glands kick in sufficiently to change the cortisol...
  15. Little running man

    CFS/overtraining

    That's a great thing to want to do. We all need a dream! I hope you get to do yours. This year I ran 2045 miles ......which just happens to be enough miles to run to Napoli and back. So I'd love to spend a year doing that as I'd like to visit again. Mind you cycling it would be cool as well.
  16. Little running man

    CFS/overtraining

    They wouldn't test for them normally. I had full blood counts done, iron,ferritin,glandular fever,hiv. Etc even at heomotology where they did full blood screens they didn't check for it. I had to kick up quite a fuss to get him to book me a test (still waiting a date) Dr was quite happy to...
  17. Little running man

    CFS/overtraining

    Yes I agree that many different people get CFS but there's no test for CFS so everything gets lumped together that involves fatigue. So for example .....I went to the Drs told them my symptoms (told him about my exercise) did a few blood tests then he decided it was CFS. So WHAT IF .... I was...
  18. Little running man

    CFS/overtraining

    I read that if you go into adrenal fatigue you may never recover to run again. With similar symptoms of mental fatigue/memory problems and forgetting things.....it is just a thought. But it seems strange so many athletes seem to have CFS ....I just feel there's a link. Not that I have any...
  19. Little running man

    CFS/overtraining

    Even though the distances are different it's still the same pattern and other than the rash it's similar to me as well (especially the sore throat). There definitely seems to be a link for many of us......I'm wondering if their could be a link as overtraining syndrome has most of the CFS...
  20. Little running man

    CFS/overtraining

    Can't believe so many active people get struck down!! Let's face it if we could run we'd run .....it's the mindset we have. So to be reduced to doing almost nothing is crazy. Yet there seems to be a lot of doubt out there! When my dr suggested ME could be the cause (I'm still in denial at the...
  21. Little running man

    CFS/overtraining

    It's tough to do the day in day out stuff without the freedom to run hey? I'm sad that you can't run now, but it seems that there's more of us runners on here than I thought! Maybe the will be some trigger that involves serious exercise?
  22. Little running man

    CFS/overtraining

    I get tha I get that totally X I sent you a message on your profile. No idea if you got it or if it works that way.
  23. Little running man

    CFS/overtraining

    I drink far to little fun I'm honest especially when training but even with tablets I still pee way to much/often I'm normally between 60-63 kg at the mo I'm probably 65kg 167cm tall
  24. Little running man

    CFS/overtraining

    I read your blog .....impressed with your achievement/determination. Also invisible illnesses are often (wrongly) descrininated against. Also people seem to feel they can comment about things they have no idea about! X
  25. Little running man

    CFS/overtraining

    Thanks panda ....I'll read it now x
  26. Little running man

    CFS/overtraining

    Did you get your disability in the end? I really wish you well panda and pleased you have a caring/understanding partner. X
  27. Little running man

    CFS/overtraining

    Phew! I thought you'd thought I was dismissing depression!! Maybe I need to think less A couple of days for me! I'm so suprised by how many are affected and how bad it is for some! Which is really sad x
  28. Little running man

    CFS/overtraining

    It's sad that we get told to stay fit and exercise and when we do this happens to you! I find it annoying that after all the government literature about obesity when you are fit and need help because you're injured/ill then they are not interested. I really wish you could still run panda! It all...