Iritu1021
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sorry, will try to slow down...Thanks @pattismith @Iritu1021
this thread is going too quickly for me to follow and retain valuable info
Please don't, not for my sake... I don't know when I will have the energy to read and understand again.sorry, will try to slow down...
TSH 5,05 mUI/L
FT4 1,08 ng/dL
T3 97,9 ng/dL
FT3 2,66 pg/mL
I am taking
T4 22,5 mcg
T3 6,5 mcg
Maybe the higher cortisol can be explained by the ayurvedic herbs or orthomolecular supplements affecting your HPT/ HPA axis.
You mean higher in excretion and lower in serum?
What do you mean by "excretion"? The serum level and intracellular level are not the same. What matters is how much T3 gets taken up by the cells.
p.s. I gotta say that I admire how well organized you are with your data! I wish I was that good with mine.
Thank you!As far as I understand till now means high thyroid hormone cellular resistance.
Sorry, my problem at the moment is ADHD so I tend to read too fast and sometimes I skip over things.A misunderstanding. I responded to your quote about higher cortisol. Which you somehow oversaw.
Talking about it, I also take supplements against my obsessions.. No complete remission to report in this respect yet.
These are total T3 and T4. We need your free, unbound numbers fT3 and fT4 to run SPINA. Did you lower because you felt like it was too much for you? The resistance could be your adaptive mechanism to high doses of thyroid, and it may take a while for the effect to subside as your body adjusts. However, if you were too high your TSH should have lowered itself but it didn't - so something doesn't quite add up. It could be that either you mistook atypical hypo for being hyper or you don't have an appropriate TSH response.Thank you!
I used to take a higher dose of T3, but recently had to lower it. Does it mean that the resistance increased or lowered?
Could you please calculate older results?
From 1 year ago (also taking hormone replacement):
TSH 4.41 mUI/L
Total T4 6.26 mcg/dL
Total T3 108.30 ng/dL
These are total T3 and T4. We need your free, unbound numbers fT3 and fT4 to run SPINA.
I read that vit A deficiency may cause high TSH. I also read that vit A stimulates bile acid production (there are so many threads on thyroid now and some could be linked by this info - I posted my references somewhere, can look them up again if there is interest). I think I may be low in vit A since taking Isotretinein and Accutane back in 2009.However, if you were too high your TSH should have lowered itself but it didn't - so something doesn't quite add up.
Back in December I took Flaxseed oil + Borage oil which caused me an adrenal crisis and I stopped tolerating HRT even though I was hypo. I had to titrate them back and noticed that I do not tolerate anything higher than 22.5mcg T4 (get jittery) and had to eliminate the extra 5mcg T3 I used to take in the evening and had to lower the 7.5 to 6.5mcg T3 I take combined with T4. I am looking forward to going back up to my usual dosages because I am feeling worse now (lower cognition and mood). Thanks for asking.Let me know more about what you felt that prompted you to lower your dose.
I read that vit A deficiency may cause high TSH. I also read that vit A stimulates bile acid production (there are so many threads on thyroid now and some could be linked by this info - I posted my references somewhere, can look them up again if there is interest). I think I may be low in vit A since taking Isotretinein and Accutane back in 2009.
Back in December I took Flaxseed oil + Borage oil which caused me an adrenal crisis and I stopped tolerating HRT even though I was hypo. I had to titrate them back and noticed that I do not tolerate anything higher than 22.5mcg T4 (get jittery) and had to eliminate the extra 5mcg T3 I used to take in the evening and had to lower the 7.5 to 6.5mcg T3 I take combined with T4. I am looking forward to going back up to my usual dosages because I am feeling worse now (lower cognition and mood). Thanks for asking.
No, because during the crisis my TT4 was below range.did you ever tryed a lower T4 and higher T3?
is your crisis related to hypothyroidism symptoms or not?No, because during the crisis my TT4 was below range.
Yes. I think Flaxseed oil caused severe hormone resistance.is your crisis related to hypothyroidism symptoms or not?
I read that vit A deficiency may cause high TSH. I also read that vit A stimulates bile acid production (there are so many threads on thyroid now and some could be linked by this info - I posted my references somewhere, can look them up again if there is interest). I think I may be low in vit A since taking Isotretinein and Accutane back in 2009.
Back in December I took Flaxseed oil + Borage oil which caused me an adrenal crisis and I stopped tolerating HRT even though I was hypo. I had to titrate them back and noticed that I do not tolerate anything higher than 22.5mcg T4 (get jittery) and had to eliminate the extra 5mcg T3 I used to take in the evening and had to lower the 7.5 to 6.5mcg T3 I take combined with T4. I am looking forward to going back up to my usual dosages because I am feeling worse now (lower cognition and mood). Thanks for asking.
According to Ray Peat, fatty acids cause hypothyroidism, I don't remember the explanation though.Hmm... I remember at one point I was taking a lot of omega acids and it significantly worsened my thyroid function too. I'm not sure why.
In effect, I had an insulin assay and had a severe insulin resistance during the crisis. So I assume plant oils cause much more harm than sugar on that front.But I wouldn't jump to the conclusion that it was necessarily an adrenal crisis, it could have changed some other parameters in your body that affected thyroid homeostasis
I don't think so. I borrowed the BP monitor from my mother for a few days and everything seemed normal.Did you have change in your blood pressure, pulse, orthostatics?
I am eating beef liver 1x weekly. Today I took a cap of CLO for the 1st time.Are you taking activated vitamin A or beta-carotene? Pure retinol is hard to find but Solgar sells it.
Mar 2012Do you have any labs before you went on thyroid replacement? Just to see what your virgin SPINA values were.
I take neither one. Once I took Norwegian Kelp for 3 days and felt bad. Testing showed very high TSH (~15), and since then it tended to be around 5 - 6. It would make sense that it further depleted me of vit A.Have you ever tried augmenting with iodine or lithium?
Yes, excess T4 makes my body nervous and excess T3 makes my mind nervous. It seems that replacement T3 goes all to the brain.For me both excess T4 and T3 made me jittery but in very different ways.
Yes, autoimmune. Indeed autoimmunity seems to get fired up by omega 6.@Gondwanaland The other possible explanation I can think of is that too much omega 6 worsened your thyroid autoimmunity if you have autoimmune thyroiditis, like me.
According to Ray Peat, fatty acids cause hypothyroidism, I don't remember the explanation though.
In effect, I had an insulin assay and had a severe insulin resistance during the crisis. So I assume plant oils cause much more harm than sugar on that front.
I don't think so. I borrowed the BP monitor from my mother for a few days and everything seemed normal.
I am eating beef liver 1x weekly. Today I took a cap of CLO for the 1st time.
Mar 2012
TSH 4,6 mUI/L
T4 7,5 mcg/dL
T3 92 ng/dL
Aug 2013
TSH 4,4 mUI/L
T4 8 mcg/dL
T3 111 ng/dL
I take neither one. Once I took Norwegian Kelp for 3 days and felt bad. Testing showed very high TSH (~15), and since then it tended to be around 5 - 6. It would make sense that it further depleted me of vit A.
Yes, excess T4 makes my body nervous and excess T3 makes my mind nervous. It seems that replacement T3 goes all to the brain.
Yes, autoimmune. Indeed autoimmunity seems to get fired up by omega 6.