"Vaccines Revealed" Documentary Series

[Tammy]

This is obviously true, I mean smallpox has gone up by a factor of six since it was eradicated.

And polios current 30 or so cases a year is clearly six times more than the 400000 or so a year it was in the 80s.

And...............so much more to add to the story and history of vaccinations. What concerns me the most is the making of and what goes into vaccinations. It's insane.

 

[barbc56]

This is obviously true, I mean smallpox has gone up by a factor of six since it was eradicated.

And polios current 30 or so cases a year is clearly six times more than the 400000 or so a year it was in the 80s.

I love your "alternative facts".

 

[HowToEscape?]

I tend to think of very polarized views like that as "counterweight opinions": they only serve as a counterweight against other people who have equally polarized but polar opposite opinions. But the truth usually resides somewhere in the middle of the extremes of opinion.

Some extreme opinions exist only because of what can best be described as cussedness. I can't think of any benefit to having smallpox return; I just don't see an argument such as

"all vaccines are evil evilyness, probably concocted by Big pHarma in secret meetings under a gold-plated volcano. Smallpox vaccines are vaccines, therefore smallpox vaccination is a horrible evil perverting my vital fluids! Even if I never got it, maybe my ancestors did and passed vax-autism on to me!!"​

as having any validity at all when contrasted with

"the smallpox vaccine wiped the disease from humanity, and we're vastly better off without it." ​

I have high confidence that the first statement is ranting lunacy, while the second one is a fact. One might say "we'd be better off if 25% of humanity died off and another 50% had revolting scabs. That would shrink reproduction so much it would save Gaia!!" Nope, I'm not buying that either ;-)

Of course any medical procedure that works carries some risk, but that's no surprise. You can die while having a tooth extracted, we don't ban the procedure because someone, somewhere had a bad outcome. A tiny dose of a weakened or abridged (just a few proteins) form of a disease is much less risky than the actual disease, but it still must carry some risk. Life has risks the moment you get out of your chair... yet staying in a chair too long can kill you.

 

[RogerBlack]

Some raised the issue of vaccination possibly triggering CFS.
This could either be:
Utter coincidence and a (possibly symptomless) different virus was caught at the appropriate time.
People who have either a latent virus, or an immune system triggered by a virus which when the immune response to the vaccine arrives triggers CFS. (as would the disease in question).
A direct response to the non-virus-like components of the vaccine, due to some particular vulnerability of the immune system.

The third one seems problematic, as most people with CFS diddn't have a vaccine at the appropriate time. Plus, rates of CFS seem sort-of-comparable globally and over time, whereas vaccines given have varied widely over time and location.

I note https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/26475444 - this is a study on the norwegian health database, and finds that the pandemic influenza infection apparently doubles your risk of developing CFS, but vaccination against that strain does not.

As a crude cross-check, the paper states "The incidence rate of CFS/ME was 2.08 per 100,000 person-months at risk." as a baseline figure - which is interesting - assuming for no particular reason a disease duration of 100 months, that gives at any time, two per thousand people, which somewhat matches with http://bmcmedicine.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/1741-7015-9-91 's prevalance figure for the UK.

Might there be vaccines that trigger CFS in some people - certainly. Might in the absence of those vaccines those people be triggered by the disease itself - also possibly.

 

[barbc56]

@RogerBlack

There's something similar going on with measles.

While having measles gives you immunity from measles, it also causes your immune system to acquire whats called "immune amnesia", which means for a certain period of time after getting the measles, you are more susceptible to other infectious diseases. The measles make your body forget how to defend itself against other infectious diseases. It used to be thought it was 18 months to two years to restore the immune system, but indications now are that it may take longer.

Yet, the vaccine doesn't do the same thing and scientists are trying to find out why.These studies are still in the early stages. Some of the articles below explain the physiology and statistics. Of course there are other factors at play such as better nutrition, better health care but these are not enough to explain why this happening as the same thing is seen even in poorer nations.

Long-term measles-induced immunomodulation increases overall childhood infectious disease mortality
Science
May 2015
M. J. Mina, C. J. E. Metcalf, R. L. de Swart, A. D. M. E. Osterhaus, B. T. ...

• Kids who have had measles are at higher risk of fatal infections
  sciencenews.org
• Measles leaves you vulnerable to a host of deadly diseases
  newscientist.com
• Well: Measles May Increase Susceptibility to Other Infections
  nytimes.com
• Measles Weakens the Immune System for Years
  discovermagazine.com
• Study points to years-long immune system woes from measles
  latimes.com
• Scientists Crack A 50-Year-Old Mystery About The Measles Vaccine
  npr.org
• Measles vaccine may help preserve defences against other childhood illnesses
  cbc.ca
• Vaccinating Against Measles Could Also Protect You From Other Infectious Diseases
  iflscience.com
• Measles Vax?s Off-Target Effects
  the-scientist.com
• Measles vaccine cuts risk of other childhood diseases
  arstechnica.com
• A Measles Mystery: How Could The Vaccine Prevent Deaths From Other Diseases Too?
  iflscience.com

I've read that other vaccines may add protection against other health conditions but not necessarily by the same mechanism as above. Atm, I can't remember how much science backs this up. The above study is quite intriguing.

 

[Snow Leopard]

Some raised the issue of vaccination possibly triggering CFS.
This could either be:
Utter coincidence and a (possibly symptomless) different virus was caught at the appropriate time.
People who have either a latent virus, or an immune system triggered by a virus which when the immune response to the vaccine arrives triggers CFS. (as would the disease in question).

I've suffered from more than a few infections (various colds, flus, Varcella, Mumps-despite being vaccinated) and the rapid onset within a few weeks did not feel like a viral infection. The first sign was difficulty swallowing within a few days, then severe fatigue followed by acute flacid paralysis. (Sabin and Diptheria/Tetanus immunisations as an adolescent)

I'm not sure about viral immunisations, but bacterial toxins (or whole cells) combined with adjuvants are a standard way of inducing experimental autoimmune illness in rodents - there are thousands of studies over many decades. Now the dosages per bodyweight are different, but nevertheless, this suggests there is risk that needs to be quantified. However there have been no large scale studies of toxoid or conjugate vaccines that have sufficient statistical power (and must be controlled in some way: either whole population studies as a new vaccine is implemented or prospective case/control studies) to provide a reasonable range of the incidence rate. I should note that the additional incidence is still expected to be fairly rare, with cases of Guillain-Barre syndrome speculatively estimated at 1/100,000 doses. Also, keeping in mind that autoimmune illnesses can take a while to produce clinical symptoms and variable time frames on getting a diagnosis (waiting periods for specialist appointments etc) so it is difficult to expect a short temporal relationship (<180 days) to show up in population studies that do not have careful monitoring (like clinical trials), unless you had an extremely large sample size (tens of millions of people).

 

[RogerBlack]

so it is difficult to expect a short temporal relationship (<180 days) to show up in population studies that do not have careful monitoring (like clinical trials), unless you had an extremely large sample size (tens of millions of people).

Various populations in some cases do have this.
The Norwegian healthcare database above, for example had essentially all Norwegians in the trial. Of the five million in the database, 1.8 million were vaccinated with the pandemic flu vaccine.

100000 caught flu without being vaccinated.

The followup was from autumn 2009, when most infections/vaccinations happened, to the end of 2012.
Three years seems reasonable.

Unfortunately, the paper fails to break down CFS onset by time, and graph influenza by time, which might lead to some insight on average delay, and potential insight into mechanisms.

If, for example, flu infection 'causes' CFS directly, or in what fraction of people it triggers a latent CFS that is later triggered.

 

[Snow Leopard]

Various populations in some cases do have this.

Please re-read what I said - "no large scale studies of toxoid or conjugate vaccines" and "extremely large sample size (tens of millions of people)", given the levels of incidence, to see whether there is a temporal relationship or not.

 

[Countrygirl]

Just received a new message to say that there is a further free episode that will remain available for 48 hours.

It includes the problems with gardasil, after which a number of youngsters became ill and gave been given a diagnosis of ME.

http://www.vaccinesrevealed.com/episode-10-watch-now/?

 

[RogerBlack]

Just received a new message to say that there is a further free episode that will remain available for 48 hours.

It includes the problems with gardasil, after which a number of youngsters became ill and gave been given a diagnosis of ME.

http://www.vaccinesrevealed.com/episode-10-watch-now/?

Looking at:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5209415/
Current Safety Concerns with Human Papillomavirus Vaccine: A Cluster Analysis of Reports in VigiBase®.

My understanding of the above paper is that the database in question has data about 10 million HPV vaccinations.
Looking at table 1, the total number of cases being referred to is 700.
Of these, the largest group (585), only 58% of them refer to fatigue as a symptom.
'Cluster 14' is a cluster which looks like CFS to me (they do not list PEM as a symptom) 100% have fatigue, 88% headache, 48% muscle weakness, 66% disturbance in attention.

This cluster has 83 patients in.

How many CFS patients would we expect in this population normally.

There are 10 million people, and if we assume that the effect is going to be within 3 months, that is 30 million people-months.

From the above-mentioned Norway study"The incidence rate of CFS/ME was 2.08 per 100,000 person-months at risk".
Or, around 600.

If the rate without HPV would be around 600, and the rate of the cluster that looks most CFS-like is 80, obvious problems arise. (counting all clusters they highlight, 700)

Crudely looking at cluster 14, and the largest cluster, and computing the number with fatigue as a symptom, we get to about 350 patients with adverse events that look like CFS.

Only if we assume that this is diagnosed and reported very fast does this rate exceed the number of cases of CFS you'd expect in the population.

Their 'risk ratio' is as I understand it also poor.
They are not measuring risk of developing a CFS-like illness per patient.
They are measuring the risk if you report an adverse event to a vaccine, what is the likelyhood your pattern of symptoms will fall in one of their categories.

This is very much not the same thing.

They mention 11 million HPV vaccinations, but fail to give numbers for the other vaccinations.
If it's signficantly more vaccinations given than 11 million, they run into the problem that CFS onset shortly after vaccination for other vaccines is not being picked up at the natural rate it occurs.
(or the other vaccine is protective for CFS).

If it's less, then their whole result goes away, because the numbers getting 'CFS' post vaccine are less for the HPV vaccine than their control.

Case reports are interesting, but the above study (and I am not aware of any better) fail to find that it actually increases risk of getting CFS.

 

[Fat Viking]

Alerts on the toxicity of aluminum vaccines have existed since the 1970s. The Institut Pasteur had indeed removed aluminum from all its products (vaccines and treatments against allergies) from 1974 to 1986, because of the increasing number of Publications indicating the risks associated with aluminum used as a vaccine adjuvant (especially in terms of allergy development).

These alerts are increasingly strong, as we indicate below. Based on scientific facts, they can no longer be ignored. It is our health at all that is concerned, and in the first place that of our children or grandchildren!

The toxicity of aluminum used as an adjuvant in vaccines is now proved by international scientific work, particularly by Prof. Exley (GB) and Shaw (Canada).

Research carried out at Hôpital Henri Mondor (Créteil) shows in mice that phagocytosis by the immune cells of the aluminum particles in the injected muscle favors their dissemination in the lymphatic system, followed by blood, and their delayed penetration by means of monocytes / Macrophages in distant organs such as the brain where they accumulate progressively.

One thing is certain today, some of the aluminum contained in the adjuvants diffuses into the body (...). We can affirm with certainty that we observe a cerebral accumulative phenomenon in time (Pr Gherardi - INSERM - Hôpital Henri Mondor - Créteil).

This accumulation of aluminum in the brain may explain the cognitive impairment of Myofasciitis patients with Macrophages. "In these patients, visual and verbal memory disorders, functions of execution such as attention, working memory and planning are observed" . These results attest to an organic problem: the functioning of the brain is altered.

"This type of damage to the nervous system has already been observed and identified in patients suffering from acquired organic damage, toxic or inflammatory, in welders and hemodialysis, exposed to aluminum" (Pr FJ Authier - INSERM , Hôpital Henri Mondor - Créteil - France)

There is now a move towards the idea that some people may have a particular propensity to retain aluminum hydroxide in their bodies because of a particular genetic terrain or their age, to diffuse the immune cells containing the particles Aluminum to the cerebral level, and to induce a chronic immune reaction to the neurotoxic effects, complements Professor Gherardi.

The experimental work of Pr Gherardi and Authier (in mice), we know the fate of aluminum in the body after a vaccine injection:

- Aluminum lasts many months at the vaccine injection site.

- Simultaneously, it migrates in the organism more or less rapidly according to three criteria:
• the injection site - more rapid migration if the injection is carried out subcutaneously rather than intramuscularly
• the genetic profile - migration more Rapid on some mice than on others
• dose - a moderate dose of aluminum adjuvant forms small aggregates of particles. It migrates more rapidly in the brain than a large dose which, in turn, forms larger aggregates that have long been stored on the periphery;

- This aluminum accumulates in the brain, but also in the lymph nodes and spleen, which are organs of the immune system.

Their clinical research makes it possible to link the presence of aluminum in the body with specific symptoms. People with Myofasciitis with Macrophages have cognitive impairments that are demonstrated by neuropsychological tests. These cognitive impairments show cerebral damage and are associated with long-term persistence of aluminum at the site of vaccine injection.

Symptoms of MFM are similar to the symptoms of people suffering from aluminum poisoning (dialysis syndrome, and aluminum workers); They are also similar to the symptoms of people suffering from intoxication to other adjuvants (silicone, gulf war ... see the work of Prof. Shoenfeld - Israel).
http://www.asso-e3m.fr/myofasciite-a-macrophages/connaissances-scientifiques/

One of the most controversial uses is in vaccines. This usage is proof that aluminum can be biologically active because it is used to enhance the immune reaction, although nobody knows exactly how. This exposure is often dismissed in an idiotic fashion by noting that babies consume more aluminum even in breastmilk, let alone formula, than is injected in their standard baby vaccines. The problem with this logic is that only a tiny percentage of oral aluminum is absorbed into the bloodstream versus 100% of whatever is injected.
https://infectiousmyth.podbean.com/e/infectious-myth-–-chris-exley-on-aluminium-toxicity-–-092215/

International researchers testify to the toxicity of aluminum vaccine , at a symposium in the National Assembly on May 22, 2014:

 

[Fat Viking]

Aluminum is a toxic product that can not be assimilated by the body
This is why it was introduced in vaccines as early as 1926: its toxicity was expected to lead to a strong reaction of the immune system, with a twofold objective: to improve the efficacy of the vaccine and to eliminate it by urine within 2 to 3 weeks after injection. Unfortunately, this latter "hypothesis" has never been verified.

The accumulation of aluminum in the brain can not leave indifferent!
The latest scientific evidence shows that when an aluminum-containing vaccine is injected, it remains at the injection site, migrates into the body and accumulates, in part, in various organs, including the brain.
https://www.vaccinssansaluminium.org/les-preuves-scientifiques/

PR EXLEY - THE AGE OF ALUMINUM
Today we all have aluminum in our body and it is likely that it is present in every physical and chemical compartment of the human body.

At one point, its toxicity will unfold, brain systems will become dysfunctional and cascades of events, eventually leading to an accelerated loss of cells and neurons, will begin to dominate.
http://www.vaccinssansaluminium.org/authier-myofasciite-a-macrophages/

PR YEHUDA SHOENFELD - ADJUVANT SYNDROME
Immune system disorders are a major cause of disease and mortality throughout the world, and their numbers are increasing.

It has been found that adjuvants (including aluminum) in themselves induce an autoimmune reaction in different animal models and may possibly cause an autoimmune or auto-inflammatory disease in humans.
http://www.vaccinssansaluminium.org/shaw-tomljenovic-degat-aluminium-cerveau/

PR GHERARDI - THE MIGRATION OF ALUMINUM INTO THE BODY
The biodistribution of aluminum hydroxide is largely unknown. Experiments on mice were carried out to evaluate it.

Intramuscular injection of an aluminum-containing vaccine is associated with the appearance of aluminum deposits in distant organs such as spleen and brain where they were still detected one year after injection.
http://www.vaccinssansaluminium.org/gherardi-translocation-aluminium/

PR AUTHIER - MACROPHAGE MYOFASCIITIS
Macrophage myofasciitis is characterized by muscle damage attesting to abnormal persistence of aluminum salts in macrophages.

Most subjects suffer from arthromyalgia, chronic fatigue and cognitive impairment that lead to social exclusion.
http://www.vaccinssansaluminium.org/authier-myofasciite-a-macrophages/

PR SHAW AND L. TOMLJENOVIC - ALUMINUM-INDUCED DAMAGE
Numerous studies link aluminum adjuvants with serious autoimmune consequences in humans.Comparative risk analysis (aluminum adjuvant vs disease) requires much more rigorous examination than has been done so far.
http://www.vaccinssansaluminium.org/shaw-tomljenovic-degat-aluminium-cerveau/

DR SING HANG LEE - GARDASIL: ATTENTION, DANGER
Gardasil samples were tested.All the ampoules of Gardasil contained DNA fragments, probably linked to nanoparticles of aluminum hydroxyphosphate sulphate.Vaccine safety requires thorough investigation.
http://www.vaccinssansaluminium.org/lee-gardasil-attention-danger/

PR GHERARDI - STATE OF KNOWLEDGE
This publication reviews the knowledge of the unexpected biopersistence of aluminum at the vaccine injection site and the process of migration of this aluminum into the body.

It also lists the outstanding issues that require urgent answers.
http://www.vaccinssansaluminium.org/gherardi-translocation-aluminium-cerveau/

 

[RogerBlack]

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I note all of the claims cited are made by an anti-aluminum website.
You should in general be extraordinarily careful about claims made by single issue websites.
I can, for example find 'truthy' documents on the internet about why the lizard people are in fact our rulers in a global conspiracy.
In order to find out if something is true medically the starting point is not to claim that something is true, and then go picking through evidence to find things that support it.
Be especially wary of sites that cite articles more than 30 years old or so, or go from results using massive doses in cultures of cells, or small numbers of animals performed by one center to 'this is 100% proof!'.
To find out if something is true, you need to look at all of the available data, or have a compelling reason why you aren't.


In the case of adjuvanted vaccines, there have been many effective trials in large populations of this, due to the fact that some places use adjuvanted vaccines, and others do not, regional variations and switching between adjuvanted or not. They have found no significant downside of aluminum adjuvant for the vaccines commonly used.

In order to prefer the results of results from cell culture, small animal studies or old papers, one has to have a very compelling reason to ignore the results of studies with thousands or millions.

Cell culture results for example gave us the headache that was the CFS/XMRV fiasco which distracted the whole field for several years as a result of widespread contamination.
Mouse studies are extraordinarily vulnerable to contamination, for example you get significant differences in behavior if the experimenter played with their cat that morning.

 

[Fat Viking]

I note all of the claims cited are made by an anti-aluminum website.
You should in general be extraordinarily careful about claims made by single issue websites.
I can, for example find 'truthy' documents on the internet about why the lizard people are in fact our rulers in a global conspiracy.
In order to find out if something is true medically the starting point is not to claim that something is true, and then go picking through evidence to find things that support it.
Be especially wary of sites that cite articles more than 30 years old or so, or go from results using massive doses in cultures of cells, or small numbers of animals performed by one center to 'this is 100% proof!'.
To find out if something is true, you need to look at all of the available data, or have a compelling reason why you aren't.


In the case of adjuvanted vaccines, there have been many effective trials in large populations of this, due to the fact that some places use adjuvanted vaccines, and others do not, regional variations and switching between adjuvanted or not. They have found no significant downside of aluminum adjuvant for the vaccines commonly used.

In order to prefer the results of results from cell culture, small animal studies or old papers, one has to have a very compelling reason to ignore the results of studies with thousands or millions.

Cell culture results for example gave us the headache that was the CFS/XMRV fiasco which distracted the whole field for several years as a result of widespread contamination.
Mouse studies are extraordinarily vulnerable to contamination, for example you get significant differences in behavior if the experimenter played with their cat that morning.

Professor Chris Exley has been researching aluminium for over 30 years. Chris Exley and sometimes known as Mr Aluminium. I'd take his words over yours. The people I mentioned know a lot when it comes to aluminium and how toxic it is. Just watch the video above. Everything l posted above is scientific except my post on Page 2 which mentions my own personal story.

 

[Deepwater]

I note all of the claims cited are made by an anti-aluminum website.
You should in general be extraordinarily careful about claims made by single issue websites.
I can, for example find 'truthy' documents on the internet about why the lizard people are in fact our rulers in a global conspiracy.
In order to find out if something is true medically the starting point is not to claim that something is true, and then go picking through evidence to find things that support it.
Be especially wary of sites that cite articles more than 30 years old or so, or go from results using massive doses in cultures of cells, or small numbers of animals performed by one center to 'this is 100% proof!'.
To find out if something is true, you need to look at all of the available data, or have a compelling reason why you aren't.


In the case of adjuvanted vaccines, there have been many effective trials in large populations of this, due to the fact that some places use adjuvanted vaccines, and others do not, regional variations and switching between adjuvanted or not. They have found no significant downside of aluminum adjuvant for the vaccines commonly used.

In order to prefer the results of results from cell culture, small animal studies or old papers, one has to have a very compelling reason to ignore the results of studies with thousands or millions.

Cell culture results for example gave us the headache that was the CFS/XMRV fiasco which distracted the whole field for several years as a result of widespread contamination.
Mouse studies are extraordinarily vulnerable to contamination, for example you get significant differences in behavior if the experimenter played with their cat that morning.

Well, I came down with ME less than 24 hours after a vaccine containing aluminium adjuvant. 22 years later I am still sick. Very sick.

 

[Fat Viking]

Well, I came down with ME less than 24 hours after a vaccine containing aluminium adjuvant. 22 years later I am still sick. Very sick.

That's bad. What vaccine was it? I took Hep B vaccine and suffered severe side-effects, you can read more about that on my post on page 2.

 

[RogerBlack]

Well, I came down with ME less than 24 hours after a vaccine containing aluminium adjuvant. 22 years later I am still sick. Very sick.

And many people did not.
"Chronic fatigue syndrome/myalgic encephalomyelitis (CFS/ME) is associated with pandemic influenza infection, but not with an adjuvanted pandemic influenza vaccine." found with another adjuvanted vaccine that it was not associated with CFS, but gives the chance of getting CFS as one in 1.5 million per day.

Was it vaccine causing the CFS, or were you just the 'lucky' one, of your group of 1.5 million that happened to get your vaccine on that day, instead of go bowling, and hence think it's that, not bowling.

I had last had a vaccination when I was I think 5, and it had been 7 years till the development of my CFS.

 

[RogerBlack]

In haste, but courts both in the US and Europe have accepted a link between MMR and autism.

I think the whistleblower's claim that the CDC also found that MMR was associated with autism in black male youngsters still stands. I haven't heard it has been discredited.

It has.
This was exactly the sort of thing we complain about with CFS studies. Taking a tiny amount of data and then massaging it to find the one tiny bit of data which seems significant, without examining confounders.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/di...ccines-cause-autism-in-african-american-boys/

 

[Countrygirl]

It has.
This was exactly the sort of thing we complain about with CFS studies. Taking a tiny amount of data and then massaging it to find the one tiny bit of data which seems significant, without examining confounders.

https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/di...ccines-cause-autism-in-african-american-boys/

Anyone who has researched for themselves the subject of the efficacy of vaccines and their actual history over the last two hundred years rather than just accepted the official line would not view the above piece as evidence that vaccines do not cause significant and serous injury to an unacceptably large number of people, especially children.The evidence that vaccines have indeed caused unacceptable damage for a variety of reasons over the last 200 years is overwhelming, although for different reasons over time. Before giant industries became involved, the governments were ready to admit it and stop the vaccine programmes, calling them a disaster. The 'slaughter of the innocents' did not stop when the BMJ wrote its well-known and damning article on the effects of vaccinations in the twentieth century.

It is exactly because many of us with ME have witnessed the inaccurate view of our disease peddled over the decades by government agencies and those who have financial interests in denying us appropriate funding for research that we are not naive when we read official denials of anything; just recall the official denials of the devastating effects of OP poisoning, Camelford, GWS and every other human catastrophes that Prof Wessely has been wheeled out to deny the damage done to thousands, and in some cases, (us) millions.

Personally, for me, the article's author, undermines his own credibility when he stoops to naming calling. He doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.

It is not surprising that a campaign for safer vaccination attracts such a high level of vitriol when you consider what is at stake both financially and politically for interested parties.

I do not want to be dragged into a debate on the dangers of the vaccination programme. I have spent 15 years studying and now writing about it from a historical perspective, and, for me, it is time to move on. I know what the evidence tells us and how vested interests behave.

 

[user9876]

Anyone who has researched for themselves the subject of the efficacy of vaccines and their actual history over the last two hundred years rather than just accepted the official line would not view the above piece as evidence that vaccines do not cause significant and serous injury to an unacceptably large number of people, especially children.The evidence that vaccines have indeed caused unacceptable damage for a variety of reasons over the last 200 years is overwhelming, although for different reasons over time. Before giant industries became involved, the governments were ready to admit it and stop the vaccine programmes, calling them a disaster. The 'slaughter of the innocents' did not stop when the BMJ wrote its well-known and damning article on the effects of vaccinations in the twentieth century.

I've not read the whole thread but I thought it is important to point out that harm due to vaccines needs to be compared to the reduction of harm in the things they are trying to eradicate. It should be seen as a relative thing rather than an absolute measure.