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And secondly, where there are differences of opinion, this is an argument for more dialogue and not less.
I am putting him on ignore.
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And secondly, where there are differences of opinion, this is an argument for more dialogue and not less.
Since the 90's the King's College CFS treatment legacy has been to explore the use of CBT to mend the ill ways of patients in hopes of curing them. Didn't work then, doesn't work now...Hang on, hang on - are places like King's College *still* advancing the view that ME is "a complex of false illness beliefs and avoidance behaviour" ? I thought they had at least in public withdrawn from that position ?
I often watch the GPs behind closed doors program on CH5 and am amazed how often they suggest CBT to various patients........particularly given the cost. It would be interesting to know just how much the NHS spend on it.The UK likes CBT
The evidence also showed that CBT could produce impressive recovery rates
It's pretty flimsy in the NICE review of ME/CFS CBT research, and poor-quality research is frequently over-rated. Such as a trial with fatigued psych patients (half of them on long-term meds) being counted as a success for CBT for ME because VO2max increased. That was despite VO2max was pretty normal already at the start of the trial.Unfortunately, that evidence is probably flawed or even fraudulent.
Keith Laws is very strong on the illusory benefits of CBT across the board.Unfortunately, that evidence is probably flawed or even fraudulent.
You're missing the point of what I posted; the quote is from a government document as is the link.........Unfortunately, that evidence is probably flawed or even fraudulent.
Or is it to give the image of saving money, and justifying changes driven by other reasons?You're missing the point of what I posted; the quote is from a government document as is the link.........
it's all designed to ultimately save the state money.
By convincing people to accept and live with their illness, I can see how this can be a savings. I spent years suffering silently without medical care or a clue as to what was wrong with me. The savings are to the system, but what about all our lost wages? If you look at the cost to the livelihood of an individual, the amount must be huge! For me alone I roughly estimated the total impact of my illness at $750K.The programme is expected to generate net savings in excess of £300 million...