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brian nicholson detained in psyschiatric unit with me cfs for 3 years

CantThink

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They denied telling me I wasn't in any pain.

I've tried to take legal action against them but no one would take on my case because I have no objective proof that I have M.E. I'm awaiting a reply from the ombudsman as they are looking in to my case.

How this can happen in the 21st century, in an age of reason, is truly saddening.

I'm so sorry PD for what happened to you. So traumatic. It's ridiculous as they have no proof either - of their claims, yet they alwats trumo us. Do you think the 2 day exercise test would be 'objective proof'?

Today, of course, we have Dr Crawley with national influence and doctors like my kindly paediatrician who attempt to intervene when the child is abused by their doctors are reported to the GMC as is happening at this moment.

I think, with the current situation, if I had a child in England who started to become ill with M.E. I would have to leave the country. I couldn't live with the fear.

...and yet the health service and social services are allowed to abuse people in this way.

Yes, it really makes zero sense. So contradictory.
 

jimells

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With all the ruckus around PACE and Dr Coyne stirring up trouble re Creepy Crawley and her experiments on kids, maybe this the right time to start a patient-funded legal defense fund to keep patients out of locked wards. I recall an UK lawyer with ME and a blog, but I can't remember their name. Perhaps they know a solicitor who would take this on for reasonable fees.

A few successes would build confidence and support towards the goal of more wide-reaching lawsuits. At least that would be my goal. I want to see all the psychobabblers held to account in a court of law, preferably both criminal and civil.

Amnesty International and those other groups won't be interested as we are not "charismatic" enough, unless the request for a campaign came with a big donation. So we will have to do it ourselves, somehow, like everything else.

If I only have a little money to give and I give it to some multi-million dollar research fund, it will simply be swallowed up with little effect, even if the charity is doing excellent work, like the Open Medicine Foundation. But if I give a small amount of money to a fund that will use it to spring a patient from psychiatric prison, that will have a profound and immediate impact on a patient's life, especially a young patient.

Letters and petitions have their place, but I don't think these psycho psychiatrists will notice. A court order backed by constables should get their attention.
 

Snowdrop

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@jimells
I don't know about a UK lawyer but there was an article by a Canadian lawyer here:
http://www.lawyersweekly.ca/articles/2414
I haven't read it in a while but I don't think it was necessarily about legal issues. Perhaps there is still some other article you were thinking of. I know 'the faculty lounge' also had some articles on ME

Money is a rather large problem for us to get things done. Don't know what to say to that.
 

jimells

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I don't know about a UK lawyer but there was an article by a Canadian lawyer here:

I was thinking about an ME patient advocate blog from someone who used to work as a lawyer in the UK. Maybe if I don't think about it for a while I'll remember something I can search on and find the blog.

The blog's header photo was a huge official building on the edge of the Thames - I think it's a famous photo that any schoolchild in UK would recognize. But not addled Americans.
 

CantThink

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@jimells

I agree about Amnesty. I have thought the same before.

I like your ideas.

It would be good to set up some kind of task force that has appropriate specialists - MH solicitors, M.E. specialists etc - who can be called upon when needed and who could work together as a combined unit... At the moment it seems isolated individuals end up acting against the lead psych. Also obviously funds would need to be raised for such a venture.

I think I have read the blog you mentioned but can't remember the name, so will look for it.

Perhaps we need a new thread specifically to discuss this idea?
 

Little Bluestem

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They don't treat people as MH sufferers but as you would with a capricious child having a tantrum.
If parents decided that their child complaining of eye problems was being capricious and refused to allow the child to see a doctor, I think they would be in trouble with the child welfare folks.
 

CantThink

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Just a quick uodate - Following this discussion, and another thread on here linking to an article that Valerie recently wrote about Karina Hansen and published on her blog, I have contacted her and sent her links so that she can read about what has been happening to B.

She has indicated that she is interested to do this once she's recovers from the effort required to investigate the KH situation. So hopefully at some point we may have some more advice over whether there is anything that can be done to help.
 

bohemian

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Hi i was interested in the amnesty international idea. I have tried. Still 8n the care of dr dickenson and he is upping my cl9zipene stating all my spinal pain and symptoms are due to physcotic illness. My father not giv8ng a stuff
 

taniaaust1

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With all the ruckus around PACE and Dr Coyne stirring up trouble re Creepy Crawley and her experiments on kids, maybe this the right time to start a patient-funded legal defense fund to keep patients out of locked wards. I recall an UK lawyer with ME and a blog, but I can't remember their name. Perhaps they know a solicitor who would take this on for reasonable fees.

A few successes would build confidence and support towards the goal of more wide-reaching lawsuits. At least that would be my goal. I want to see all the psychobabblers held to account in a court of law, preferably both criminal and civil.

Amnesty International and those other groups won't be interested as we are not "charismatic" enough, unless the request for a campaign came with a big donation. So we will have to do it ourselves, somehow, like everything else.

If I only have a little money to give and I give it to some multi-million dollar research fund, it will simply be swallowed up with little effect, even if the charity is doing excellent work, like the Open Medicine Foundation. But if I give a small amount of money to a fund that will use it to spring a patient from psychiatric prison, that will have a profound and immediate impact on a patient's life, especially a young patient.

Letters and petitions have their place, but I don't think these psycho psychiatrists will notice. A court order backed by constables should get their attention.

some of the cases may be hard to win as what decision does a judge make when it comes to two different lots of doctors saying different things but just a few wins in this area would make others sit up and pay heed one could say. Like that case in England was it? where someone got was 1.2 M dollars for a ME lawsuit (she got some crazy amount awarded to her and what she'd had done to her wasn't even as bad as how Ive been treated).
 

taniaaust1

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Hi i was interested in the amnesty international idea. I have tried. Still 8n the care of dr dickenson and he is upping my cl9zipene stating all my spinal pain and symptoms are due to physcotic illness. My father not giv8ng a stuff

very sorry to hear that brian :(

I've been in contact with the media again over my situation and there is a chance right now I may get a interview by them. (they are going to have someone ring me back this time). Fingers crossed I can get some attention on my own plight and how badly ME/CFS people are being treated where I am. I think what is interesting the media in my case is the fact Ive choosen to go to jail rather then keep living without the care and home support services I need but don't have now.
 

CantThink

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Hi i was interested in the amnesty international idea. I have tried. Still 8n the care of dr dickenson and he is upping my cl9zipene stating all my spinal pain and symptoms are due to physcotic illness. My father not giv8ng a stuff


@bohemian

Do you have any access to an Independent Mental Health Advocate or a specialist mental health lawyer?
 

bohemian

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Dear all

Thankyou for your interest in my case. I am on a community treatment order and get no help when i visit the hospital a &e. I have to take clozipene othetwise im back at haytor unit. I am strugglibg with it all. I am pretty poorly with no help.
 

chipmunk1

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If they force you to take antipsychotics while never having had any sign of psychosis other than medically unexplained pain something is terribly wrong and I am sure that even many psychiatrists would agree with that. I would try to seek some legal help and find some psychiatrists that agree that you are sane. You should at least have the right to be treated by a different(competent) psychiatrist.
 
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Invisible Woman

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You are absolutely right @chipmunk1. If the world were fair one should be able to complain and have it sorted out. The snag is that once diagnosed with a mental health condition a patient's status seems to be somehow downgraded to subhuman.

From the snippets I've read it seems that psychs can block access to other doctors, or at the very least taint any consultation with them They can lie or twist the truth. Who will be believed: the upstanding psych who does their best for these poor, unreasonable, troubled souls all day or the patient whose resistance is perceived to be a symptom of the mental health condition.

I am sure there are many fine psychs out there, who only ever work in the very best interests of their patients. The damage the others do is horrific. Once subject to treatment by one of the nasties I can understand why anyone would be scared to take them on or even try to see another psych.