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Long-Lived Plasma Cells in Autoimmunity: Lessons from B-Cell Depleting Therapy

viggster

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Thanks for posting this trial. Do you have any idea if trial patients have to be Norwegian? I guess I could contact them and ask. (My great-grandfather was Norwegian, so maybe that would get me in.)
 

Riley

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@deleder2k it says the trial is planned to have 40 patients and be finished in November 2016. Do you (or anyone else) know if they are on track for this?

It seems like everyone would need to have already begun their infusions.
 

deleder2k

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@deleder2k it says the trial is planned to have 40 patients and be finished in November 2016. Do you (or anyone else) know if they are on track for this?

It seems like everyone would need to have already begun their infusions.

I've heard early 2017. I think Mella said that at Invest in ME(?)


I don't if they have begun infusions for all 40 patients or not. I do however now that they started infusions in March if I am not mistaken.
 

deleder2k

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@Jonathan Edwards, I just read the most bizarre abstract.

Phosphodiesterase type 5 inhibitor Tadalafil increases Rituximab treatment efficacy in a mouse brain lymphoma model.


Abstract
The treatment efficacy of Rituximab on lymphoma as an immunotherapeutic approach is confirmed, but this treatment has limited penetration through the brain micro vessels. Such limitation significantly attenuates the efficacy of systemic administration of this antibody on brain lymphomas. We aimed to confirm that Tadalafil, a long-acting phosphodiesterase type 5 inhibitor, could increase microvascular permeability and Rituximab treatment efficacy in brain lymphomas. We established a mouse brain lymphoma model by planting human-derived lymphoma cell line Raji into brain parenchyma of mice using stereotaxic techniques. After 16 days, 7.0 T magnetic resonance imaging was performed to confirm the presence of the mass. The mice were observed under near-infrared fluorescence after intravenous injection of fluorescence-labeled Rituximab. Evans Blue was used as probe to detect the microvascular permeability of brain lymphomas after Tadalafil administration. Starting from 4 days after implantation, the mice were administered different treatments. Survival analysis of brain lymphoma-loaded mice was performed. Evans Blue detection showed that Tadalafil administration could increase brain vascular permeability in the tumor-bearing group compared with control mice. Rituximab treatment prolonged the survival time of mice compared with the untreated control group (mean 25.75 vs. 20.8 days, p < 0.05). Tadalafil with Rituximab treatment resulted in the longest survival time (29 days, p < 0.05). Rituximab may be a promising therapeutic agent for the treatment of brain lymphoma. Tadalafil can enhance Rituximab treatment efficacy by improving the microvascular permeability in mice brain lymphoma.

What does this mean? Could dilating blood vessels with tadalafil (Cialis) lead to an improvement of B-cell depletion?
 

Jonathan Edwards

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@Jonathan Edwards, I just read the most bizarre abstract.

Phosphodiesterase type 5 inhibitor Tadalafil increases Rituximab treatment efficacy in a mouse brain lymphoma model.




What does this mean? Could dilating blood vessels with tadalafil (Cialis) lead to an improvement of B-cell depletion?

Maybe only in the brain and in autoimmunity that would not be relevant except perhaps in MS I think.
 

Marky90

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This was on mice, but I thought the findings were interesting nonetheless: http://arthritis-research.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s13075-015-0551-3

"Persistent depletion of LLPCs was achieved only by combining a cycle of bortezomib with maintenance therapy, for example cyclophosphamide, depleting the precursors of LLPCs or preventing their differentiation into LLPCs."

Should LLPCs be involved in ME-pathogenesis, and ALSO b-cells; we could be looking at a very complex drug treatment, of a disease where the immune system is severely dysregulated involving a range of different immune cells. This again gets me thinking that side effects will be hard to avoid. Mice behave nice, and dont usually complain to the researchers, but humans do: http://ard.bmj.com/content/74/7/1474

"Upon proteasome inhibition, disease activity significantly declined and remained stable for 6 months on maintenance therapies"

And even:

"Bortezomib significantly reduced the numbers of peripheral blood and bone marrow PCs (∼50%)"


Although:

"their numbers increased between cycles."

So this begs the question if e.g. cyclo should used in conjunction with bortezomib, as suggested in the mice-study. However in the latter study:

"Nineteen treatment-emergent adverse events occurred and, although mostly mild to moderate, resulted in treatment discontinuation in seven patients"

From the conclusion: "The clinical efficacy of bortezomib is remarkable considering that all patients had been refractory to immunosuppression before. Proteasome inhibition may thus serve as a salvage therapy in patients with refractory SLE, in particular as induction therapy in serologically active patients presenting with severe and potential life-threatening organ manifestations. Since most of the clinical effects were achieved within the first 21 days of bortezomib treatment, few cycles of bortezomib induction therapy may be sufficient to ameliorate disease manifestations, and even restore responsiveness to conventional immunosuppression. The observed effects of proteasome inhibition may be partially attributable to the coadministration"

It`s becoming clear that Rituximab only leads to full long lasting remission in a few patients (at least based on phase 2), therefore it is expected that it will be part of a drug cocktail in the future, as relapses indicates that other immune cells are involved. Rituximab together with cyclo and bortezomib; is theoretically intriguing, if the hypophesis is that ME is a variant of an autoimmune disease. But is it possible?

Did you ever use a third invasive immunosupressive together with rtx and cyclo in RA @Jonathan Edwards ?

I mean, the amount of severe side effects is likely to increase the more invasive immunosuppressives one include in the drug treatment, and my fear is that it gets to a point where it is less dangerous to undertake an allogeneic stem cell therapy, which one could say is the ultimate immunosupressant?

I guess also one have to accept, that since ME is a serious multi system disease, serious drug cocktails will probably have to be used to get rid of it..

Just some thoughts in the morning, with my first cup of lovely coffee..

Edit: On second read the adverse effects didn`t actually seem too bad, but it might have been of course.
 
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