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Acetyl L- Glutathione, ATP, Baking Soda, Sam-e & Catalase = No PEM after exercise

jason30

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Mya Symons said:
I am posting an update. I tried exercising 4 times a week and I crashed with PEM. Right now I also have the stomach flu so I am sure that had a bit to do with it. I was doing fine limiting myself to 3 times a week. I am going to try again and stick with the 3 times after I recover from the flu.

My conclusion is the supplements help me, but, of course, they are not a cure. I didn't expect that. For anyone who hasn't tried supplements, however, I would still suggest trying them. The Pall Protocol (Nutricology.com) and the extra supplements Glutathione (L-Glutathione & S-Acetyl Glutathione), NADH, Methylcobalamin, Catalase, MSM, Beta Alanine, Essential Amino Acids, DL-Phenylalaline and Sam-e have helped me the most in reducing the Fibromyalgia pain. I do take a lot of supplements! I am taking the Superoxide Dismutase out for now because it is made from wheat and I want to make sure that wasn't the cause of the crash. I also take Sucralfate and Zofran an hour before I take the supplements so I won't have stomach problems and take a break from all supplements on the weekend.

I have been able to reduce my dosage of tramadol down to one before I go to bed because of these supplements. Before them, I was taking two more doses a day. Further, before the supplements I was still going through the day with pain. I don't have any during the day now. I do have it right before bed though. However, this is a really significant improvement for me. If you have Fibromyalgia, I would definitely recommend trying these supplements.

But, I am still not sure about the ME/CFIDS. I want to stress that I do not have severe ME/CFIDS. I do get PEM after exercise that is getting better with supplements, but it is not gone and I have to be very careful not to go past my limits. And, I am still trying to figure out what the limits are with the supplements.
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Thanks for the update. I also have Fibromyalgia. Since i am also a under-methylator i wonder if you had methylation problems before you started this protocol?
 
Mya Symons

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jason30 said:
Thanks for the update. I also have Fibromyalgia. Since i am also a under-methylator i wonder if you had methylation problems before you started this protocol?
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Yes, I assume so. I also use the Pall Protocol and Methyl b-12, which help me quite a bit.
 
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Mya Symons said:
Yes, I assume so. I also use the Pall Protocol and Methyl b-12, which help me quite a bit.
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The reason why i asked is because i have read that it's better to start with the methylation protocol before starting any other supplements such as Glutathione etc.
I wanted to start with the Pall protocol and also Glutathione increasing supps because my Glutathione level is decreased, but i doubt whether i first have to start with the methylation protocol.
 
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jason30 said:
The reason why i asked is because i have read that it's better to start with the methylation protocol before starting any other supplements such as Glutathione etc.
I wanted to start with the Pall protocol and also Glutathione increasing supps because my Glutathione level is decreased, but i doubt whether i first have to start with the methylation protocol.
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I'm not sure. I started out slowly with the Pall Protocol and haven't noticed any negative effects.
 
drob31

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Mya Symons said:
But, I am still not sure about the ME/CFIDS. I want to stress that I do not have severe ME/CFIDS. I do get PEM after exercise that is getting better with supplements, but it is not gone and I have to be very careful not to go past my limits. And, I am still trying to figure out what the limits are with the supplements.
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Do you think catalayse is one of the keys? Also do you think it's because of it's scavenging ability of peroxy nitrite?
 
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Mya Symons said:
I'm not sure. I started out slowly with the Pall Protocol and haven't noticed any negative effects.
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Okay good to hear!
Do you take Glutathione orally? I have read that when you take it orally most of it is oxidized during digestion and thus unusable?
 
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jason30 said:
Okay good to hear!
Do you take Glutathione orally? I have read that when you take it orally most of it is oxidized during digestion and thus unusable?
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I think the baking soda and catalase are most important for preventing PEM (for me). However, everyone is different. I have tried reduced glutathione which is the tripeptide precursor for glutathione and Nutricology S-Acetyl Glutathione and found that the S-Acetyl glutathione worked better. However, I have heard that liposomal glutathione is the best form. Seeking Health has a liposomal form of Glutathione that i am going to try next to see if it works better.
 
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drob31

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S-Acetyl Glutathione is the only form of glutathione that can be taken orally with a decent absorption rate. It's 300x higher absorption rate than regular reduced glutathione.
 
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I tried catalase and baking soda and I'm not sure why I'm feeling better.

There could be many factors here because I change too many variables at once.
 
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I also took 1/2 teaspoon of baking soda.


Anyone think it would be wise to add SOD as well?


How about; s-acetyle glutathione, SOD, and catalase together? A super anti PEM stack?
 
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