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Dr. Ronald W. Davis Answers Patient Questions: Q and A follow-up to 2/21/17 Research Update

paolo

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a few days back @Sandman00747 posted about his sudden brief remission last year & some others on the forum have experienced similar brief 'switch-offs' of symptoms. I just posted this question on the other thread, but thought it might be better here:

I know these sudden brief remissions are completely unpredictable & can't be 'triggered' but if someone has one, would there be a way of getting a remission blood sample to Ron Davis - & then when the remission was over getting another one to him for comparison? Would that be possible? Would it be useful? If so, then if the Phoenix Rising community (esp those who have previously had one of these remissions) knew what to do if a new one occurred, in terms of getting a blood sample done & delivered, maybe it could give Ron some pointers on anything that's different in the remission sample?

In my own case, I have partial remissions between June and July (I live north of the equator), almost every year. I think that these temporary improvements might be linked to seasonal variations observed in the immune system (see this comment by Antony Komaroff or this study). I would be glad to offer my body fluids during and after these temporary remissions!
 
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sb4

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In my own case, I have partial remissions between June and July (I live north of the equator), almost every year. I think that these temporary improvements might be linked to seasonal variations observed in the immune system (see this comment by Antony Komaroff or this study). I would be glad to offer my body fluids during and after these temporary remissions!
Dr Kruse would suggest more sunlight is causing remission. Try getting a lot of sun this summer and see if it lasts longer.
 

paolo

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Dr Kruse would suggest more sunlight is causing remission. Try getting a lot of sun this summer and see if it lasts longer.

Thank you for your suggestion. I have tried with a lamp which simulates sunlight. It is a lamp used for seasonal affective disorder. And it didn't work. I have also speculated that my seasonal variation could be linked to seasonal variation in some species of fungi in the air (R), as I have IgGs to some of these agents. They might interact with some part of my immune system, maybe in the nose, maybe mast cells. And this might trigger some sort of signaling which in turn activates my disease. I really don't know. An expensive solution for me might be to move to some location near the equator. But we are going off topic...
 
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Belbyr

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I was thinking something similar but in the specific case of pregnancy triggered remission. I have heard of it mentioned but obviously have no figures, but if it is a real phenomenon, couldn't they test people (pre and) post pregnancy.

A lot of POTS patients report feeling much much better during pregnancy. Dr Grubb who is a leading POTS specialist said in several speeches that during pregnancy, women begin to hold on to a lot more water. Most POTS patients report feeling better on IV fluids, so it must be true. I believe there are quite a few CFS studies showing patients are on the low end of blood volume.
 

Belbyr

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Dr Kruse would suggest more sunlight is causing remission. Try getting a lot of sun this summer and see if it lasts longer.

I typically feel better in spring with sunlight and mild temps in the 60's-70's. Energy is better, mind is more clear, less symptomatic. Call me crazy but I can actually feel sorta good after mowing the grass (I do have a small yard though)
 

Alvin2

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I typically feel better in spring with sunlight and mild temps in the 60's-70's. Energy is better, mind is more clear, less symptomatic. Call me crazy but I can actually feel sorta good after mowing the grass (I do have a small yard though)
I also feel better in the sunny warm weather, and i used to like exercise. Sunny days make people feel good, its in our genes.
I have noticed that sometimes some activity will break the fatigue, but its easily overdone and still costs me later, but can provide some partial relief from the exhaustion.
 

Kati

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A lot of POTS patients report feeling much much better during pregnancy. Dr Grubb who is a leading POTS specialist said in several speeches that during pregnancy, women begin to hold on to a lot more water. Most POTS patients report feeling better on IV fluids, so it must be true. I believe there are quite a few CFS studies showing patients are on the low end of blood volume.
Many autoimmune disease patients feel better during pregnancy. For instance, rheumatoid arthritis and lupus patients feel better. Could it be due to lower auto-antibody levels?

It has been suggested that POTS is also linked to adrenergic receptors antibodies. just a thought.

Also, yes, POTS is bad during the hot summer months due to vasodilatation and therefore decreased circulating blood volume.
 

Alvin2

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Too much sunlight absolutely makes me crash.
To be honest i am not at all surprised. I find it tiring though i like sunlight in acceptable doses it. Hot temperatures make me crash quickly, during heat waves i'm fried like a chicken. Taking a shower is only done on a good day and will eat sometimes the whole day's energy.
 

sb4

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As others have pointed out the main problem is heat can exasperate pots / cfs. This summer I will be outside all day and use a water spray to keep cool.

I have tried with a lamp which simulates sunlight. It is a lamp used for seasonal affective disorder.

Most of those lamps are dog shit and do more harm than good. You want a full spectrum (uvb ir) reptile lamp but even then you have to be careful with timing etc.
 

Jill

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Summer ALWAyS helps me too. I don't know whether it's to do with that article published last year which found T cells were more activated or something ? Every year I start to think I could maybe work a few hours a day. Immensely frustrating because everyone then just thinks it's SAD. It get horribly bad in winter no matter how much I try to get outside. Aren't the uv sunray lamps supposed to be bad for skin cancer. Do you have a link to a model I could get ? I grew up in the uk and my mum used to put us kids under a sunlamp . They were taken out of school during the war years to go for sunlight treatment !
 

TreePerson

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I always feel better in the Summer and generally can increase what I do by about 25%, although last year wasn't so good. I remember reading something a couple of years ago which suggested that we are capable of a small amount of photosynthesis (or similar process). This struck me as a rather nice idea.
 

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I´m late to the party, but some people seem to be jumping too conclusions rather quickly regarding mTOR, namely those who are suggesting that non-macrolide antibiotics may have caused their ME. From a quick search, the inhibitory effects seem to be limited to the macrolides, and even then mainly to Rapamycin (which I doubt that anyone had heard of before the mTOR stuff came up) and Azithromycin: in the study below, it took 4 times more Clarithomycin than Azithromycin to have the same inhibitory effect. The study also seems to suggest that the positive effects observed from Azithromycin use in some people with ME may be due to the same mechanism, whereby the mTOR inhibition results in an antiflammatory effect:

http://www.nature.com/articles/srep07438#abstract

´Several clinical studies on diseases with an auto-inflammatory or auto-immune background have described a therapeutic effect for AZM and CLM, which could not be explained by its anti-bacterial properties13,15,17. Interestingly, although T-cells are strongly involved in the regulation of virtually any immune response, the immunomodulatory effects of macrolides on T-cells have to date not been thoroughly characterized. In this respect, we have shown for the first time that AZM and CLM directly exert suppressive effects on the activation of purified CD4+ T-cells.´

´In conclusion, a remarkable difference in the immunosuppressive potency between AZM and CLM on highly purified CD4+ T-cells was shown for the first time. These effects of AZM seem to be translated by specific inhibition of mTOR kinase activity in an FKBP12 independent fashion.´

Perhaps some of the other mTOR inhibitors that people have found helpful may work in a similar way.

I also found this paragraph quite pertinent:

´Septic patients frequently present with an overwhelming reaction of the immune response, and therefore the administration of macrolides has shown beneficial results in septic patients, especially when the sepsis is secondary to pneumonia59,60. A suppressed immune status marked by lymphopenia61, associated with a higher mortality rate62, is also frequently observed in the course of a severe sepsis. In particular, CD4+ T-cells are affected from an increased apoptosis rate, leading to an elevated risk of viral co-infection63,64,65. In the light of the immunosuppressive function of AZM and CLM, it might be necessary to re-evaluate respective treatment regimens. Therefore, it might be preferable to switch to other antibiotics which do not suppress the effector functions of CD4+ T-cells. In this context, further in vitro and in vivo studies with other commonly used antibiotics (e.g. beta-lactam antibiotics, fluorochinolones, macrolides) are necessary.´
 

sb4

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I would recommend anyone who thinks they do better in the summer to read jack kruses work and get as much sun as you can in summer. You may notice big improvements or even remission as has happened to some.

Summer ALWAyS helps me too. I don't know whether it's to do with that article published last year which found T cells were more activated or something ? Every year I start to think I could maybe work a few hours a day. Immensely frustrating because everyone then just thinks it's SAD. It get horribly bad in winter no matter how much I try to get outside. Aren't the uv sunray lamps supposed to be bad for skin cancer. Do you have a link to a model I could get ? I grew up in the uk and my mum used to put us kids under a sunlamp . They were taken out of school during the war years to go for sunlight treatment !

You have to be careful when and how you use them although Kruse says sunlight doesn't really cause cancer, artificial light (blue ) does. This makes a lot of sense to me.
You need to make sure the spectrum isn't too funky and only active the uv a couple of hours after rising. I too live in uk
 

BruceInOz

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I don't think I notice any particular Summer / Winter difference. In winter I'm more likely to catch a cold or flu which can cause significant relapse but Summer begins with the extra activity demands of the Christmas season which can do the same.
 

Tuha

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Prof Davis said that we should be careful with taking ATB if there is not the evidence of bacterial infection.
But what do you think if you are diagnosed with SIBO - should we try to take ATB or not in this case?
I know that probably there is not a simply answer for this but maybe it´s important because many patients who were diagnosed with SIBO take ATB for it.
 

Alvin2

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Does anyone know when the next Q&A video is expected to be filmed?
Is there a schedule or are they filmed/posted when Dr Davis gets a chance?