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The Undetectable Infection

Elph68

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so your saying that cancer patients dont have strong antibiotic and then resistant to them . think what all those drugs can do to the gut . I mean over a long time . So what are really on about . does not make any logic to me
Hi @Tommy73, I am not sure that what you are saying is any different than what this thread is about .... cancer patients have probably spent longer stays in hospital and the literature states that the longer someone is in hospital the more likely they will be colonised with MRSA and MARCoNS as well as other multi drug resistant biofilm forming pathogens.

The literature also states that certain bacteria such as enterococcus have the ability and have been identified as being the cause of cancer. So people with cancer may also have an immune system that dysfunctions allowing this to occur ......

Given a lot of the symptoms such as hypersensitivity to light and smell, failing sight, burning mouth and dry/sore eyes etc. there is a strong argument that the cause of CFS could be in the nasal passages, behind the eyes and in the throat ..... and as this is predominately a female condition hormones and vaginal colonisation can also be argued as a factor. But what is evident this condition is about the interaction of the immune system and the microflora and I believe it is more about the genetic makeup of the bacteria that reside and the formation of biofilms in the mucosa.

All these sites can be affected by antibiotic use causing an imbalance, and all these sites interact with the immune system, so any one of these sites can contribute/cause the symptoms. As I said, this at the moment is a chicken or the egg argument, but I believe that in my case, the infection I had outside the gut caused my immune system to allow the imbalance to occur inside the gut and once that happened, it was a continuous downhill slope.

Putting probiotics in all my orifices gave me the biggest improvements after antibiotic treatment. But I found that this will only give temporary results if the offending bacteria is not eliminated.

As a side note, I am not ignoring the virus/toxin theory which is also valid, but this is the undetectable infection thread and is looking at biofilm forming bacteria as a cause of this condition in some people.
 
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Why only in hospital . One of the biggest causes of cancer in mu area . Its been proven that Selenium or the lack of in our diets causes cancer. We cant get it in our diet because its not in the ground . so its not in a fruit a veg . Yes thats right low selenium high level of cancer . Another is stress and depression .then there are just people in our lives that make you sick, tosic people . The last one i also have proof of
 
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Elph68

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Why only in hospital . One of the biggest causes of cancer in mu area . Its been proven that Selenium or the lack of in our diets causes cancer. We cant get it in our diet because its not in the ground . so its not in a fruit a veg . Yes thats right low selenium high level of cancer . Another is stress and depression .then there are just people in our lives that make you sick, tosic people . The last one i also have proof of
Hi @Tommy73, what you state is true ..... but it is a very narrow although important argument.
 
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Not sure about that ..... this staph species is not a common inhabitor of the gut ..... it is normal flora for the eyes, nose, mouth, throat and urogenital tract.

Concentrating only on the gut will not cure this ..... it only reduces the symptoms ...... many people have CFS without gut issues.

I only have immune system dysfunction now .... I do not have gut issues.

Cheers.

Hi elph.

Thanks for answering. Im dealing with strep overgrowth (possibly faecalis ) and my main symptoms are always cold, tired, brain fog... and mainly digestive issues due to the lactic acid. I cannot tolerate any sugar at all (even xylitol) (I don't have candida). However I do well on complex carbs but they give some heartburn (lactic acid coming from fermentation). So you think carbs and starches should aso be avoided as simles sugars to kill the strep, or could be they eaten? . In my case the overgrowth is in the upper small bowel so Im thinking if maybe the complex carbs can pass without feeding the strep, cause it takes more time for them to get digested.. Im at university and studying without carbs or sugars is really difficult. My brain claims for glucose!.
Also ..What about taking the bicarb at the beginning of the meal , could this create a barrier to not allow the strep feeding in the food?.

P.D: Haven´t you considered the use of displacing probiotics like mutaflor (E.coli nissle 1917) in such high doses(even 1x or 20x) to get the strep out by competition and therefore not needing to use antibiotics?

Cheers
 
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Wow ..... what an interesting few posts .....

OK, let us deal with this one first .........



Since starting this tread in 2012, all as I have done is researched a theory and presented arguments to support that theory, each particular component of this theory has been supported by 'scientific documents' ie. Reports from people who know what they are doing. These 'medical terms strung together' are all supported by scientific fact! Check the thread .....

Secondly, as stated, I am a research scientist, a problem solver, and I am very good at research. And I have had my fair share of lab work testing soil and water samples studying soil structure and identifying bacteria and contaminants ..... Attached are copies of the last page of my academic record and a letter from the Dean of Science, Information & Technology congratulating me for outstanding academic achievement as I had been placed on the Dean's Honour Roll of Academic excellence ..... I did that twice ..... Maximum one can achieve is 3 times in a 3 year degree .... I am sorry MeSci, you are wrong ...... And for the record, UTAS is rated in the top 2% of Universities worldwide.

Because of my academic ability the doors are open in any of the science fields .... including medecine .....

As far as 'stringing Medical Terms Together' I have presented my theory to numerous Microbiologists, including Dr Lipkin ..... His response was ..... Even though I may have a plausible explanation he does not know enough to recommend treatment, nor does he have the resources to research my theory ...... I even offered to pay!!!

With regards to Asia, I am in contact with a microbiologist in Indonesia, who works in Japan, and yes, they are researching these bacteria and are very concerned as Asians consume a lot of carbs and they are becoming highly resistant to treatment ........ We are quite possibly on the verge of a global pandemic ......

Thanks Mark37 for your vote of confidence, given the amount of people who PM me, you aren't the only one. And BTW, high dose vitamin C can result in the immune system seeing it as a pathogen and it can develop ways to deactivate it ..... But you are right, there is a lot of people who swear by it, and it does seem to work ....

One of the unusual things with Humans is that if someone proposes something that threatens/challenges their beliefs/thinking and makes them feel insecure, the first thing they do is attack the credibility of the person making the statements. Fortunately I am very secure in my position and confident in my skill set..... So if it makes you feel better, go for it as I don't give a rip!!!!

The research presented here is what I used to obtain treatment from a conservative infectious disease specialist ..... Solid scientific evidence to support a theory, resulting in a positive outcome and treatment that has worked ...

If you don't like what I write, don't read this thread ..... If you think my arguments aren't sound, present factual evidence to say otherwise .... If you have an opinion, I am happy to look for/find evidence to support or disprove it.

This is the full treatment with or without antibiotic support ..... And remember this is not advice but what I have worked out and now use ........

Antibiotic support can either be high dose for a short period, or lower doses for longer

Kill the bugs ......

Wild Oregano Oil (drops under tongue and capsule)
(Olive leaf extract or Grapefruit seed extract also helps) and as Mark37 stated vitamin C
Lauricidin (monolaurin) or Interfase plus
xlear drops in eyes and nose (xylitol)

1 tsp of bicarb of soda 3x per day
1 tsp tumeric 3 x per day ... I mix these together in water with psyllium husk
1 TBSP of Codliver oil

methylcobalamin - 1ml under tongue
Proteolytic enzymes (a little more than just digestive enzymes)
Prescript Assist - Soil based probiotic (or similar)
Saccharomyces Boulardii
Brewers yeast
Kefir colonic flushing and oral consumption (coconut water is probably best)
Co Q10
Magnesium Chelate
Zinc
Selenium

Green tea with grated ginger, cinamon, lemon and sweetened with xylitol (sometimes i use Manuka Honey)
xylitol chewing gum
Oil pulling .... 1 tbsp of sesame oil swished around the mouth for 10+ minutes before brushing
Good quality unsalted butter (eat it like a piece of cheese) Contains butric acid which feeds the colon cells
Bone Broth

Plenty of fermented foods, Fats and protein (eat plenty of fish and eggs), ginger, garlic, lemon and chilli, leafy green vegetables .... No simple carbs or sugars, no yoghurt or milk, no fruit (strep love fruit), no wheat or legumes..

Get outside, go to a forest and get really muddy regularly ........ Eat some dirt, but right away from civilization ....

This protocol will kill the bugs, rebuild the immune system and put good bugs back to replace what is killed.

Antibiotics will accelerate the results ..... Best antibiotics are clarithromycin or erythromycin if a macrolide hasn't been used in the last 6 months, better if used in conjunction with a second abx. such as keflex or a tetracyclene.

Vancomycin + Augmentin Duo Forte works best

Never Use Ciprofloxican ........

I believe Breast Milk from a healthy donor would be the best probiotic, rather than using feces.

Theoretically persistence with this regime should bring close to full health within a year .....

It works for me .....

Cheers.

Hi again Elph.

sorry for asking again about dietary concerns but in my case (several strep bowel overgrowth) seems key to manage it...You say no simple sugars (monosaccharides and disaccharides). What about oligosaccharides like galactoligosaccharides and Xyyloligosaccharides?.

Cheersand thanks
 

Elph68

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Hi again Elph.

sorry for asking again about dietary concerns but in my case (several strep bowel overgrowth) seems key to manage it...You say no simple sugars (monosaccharides and disaccharides). What about oligosaccharides like galactoligosaccharides and Xyyloligosaccharides?.

Cheersand thanks
If the sugars are no-fermenting then they are ok ...... you may need to do some private research on those .......

xylitol is non-fermenting ..... stevia is non fermenting ....

Cheers.
 

Elph68

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Hi elph.

Thanks for answering. Im dealing with strep overgrowth (possibly faecalis ) and my main symptoms are always cold, tired, brain fog... and mainly digestive issues due to the lactic acid. I cannot tolerate any sugar at all (even xylitol) (I don't have candida). However I do well on complex carbs but they give some heartburn (lactic acid coming from fermentation). So you think carbs and starches should aso be avoided as simles sugars to kill the strep, or could be they eaten? . In my case the overgrowth is in the upper small bowel so Im thinking if maybe the complex carbs can pass without feeding the strep, cause it takes more time for them to get digested.. Im at university and studying without carbs or sugars is really difficult. My brain claims for glucose!.
Also ..What about taking the bicarb at the beginning of the meal , could this create a barrier to not allow the strep feeding in the food?.

P.D: Haven´t you considered the use of displacing probiotics like mutaflor (E.coli nissle 1917) in such high doses(even 1x or 20x) to get the strep out by competition and therefore not needing to use antibiotics?

Cheers
Hi, I found that oregano oil killed the heartburn in me ..... 10 drops 3x per day in water or even better are the capsules.

Cheers.
 

Elph68

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I have been on this anti-staph medication now for 60 days ..... This is the best I have felt on any medication. I have been back in the gym and I am now back at the same point, using the same weights I was 5 years ago before this started.

I am now totally convinced that staphylococcus slime has been the underlying cause of my CFS. Staphylococcus slime causes the immune system to dysfunction which allows other 'opportunistic' bacteria to get out of balance. Poor gut biodiversity is a contributor to the condition

Coagulese Negative Staphylococcus (CoNS) is one of the most abundant bacteria on our body and is considered to be innocuous but 20% of species produce slime which is made of the same polysaccharides as Staph Aureus. CoNS are considered normal flora because they are non-pathogenic BUT the immune system sees the slime as more of an allergen. Again it relates to the statement I keep making, CFS seems to be about different bacteria acting in similar ways ......

It seems that Staph Slime could be the biggest cause of CFS ...... And I reckon it is up peoples noses and in the uro-genital tract.
 
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Elph68

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elph68..what is this anti staff medication?
Hi @roonie , a combination of rifampicin and Fucsidic Acid ....

"......The restrictions for rifampicin do not include the treatment of methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus (MRSA). For infections which can be managed with oral antibiotics, rifampicin is often given with fusidic acid. ... The purpose of using two antibiotics is to try to prevent further resistance"

This is a very narrow spectrum treatment ...... But the results have been outstanding :)
 

Elph68

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So in a nutshell,

It seems the most likely cause of CFS immune system dysfunction is colonisation with slime producing strains of Staphlyococcus which includes Staphlyococcus Aureus (MSSA/MRSA) and Coagulese Negative Staphylococcus (such as Staphlyococcus eperdidimis) which can also be MARCoNS.

The immune system activation from this slime is more like an allergy than an infection .......

The most likely effective treatment for CFS would then be an anti staph vaccine ..... it seems there are some in the pipeline. Does anybody know if there are any actually in the market??

Poor microbiome biodiversity is also a factor particularly low levels of e-coli.

I will be asking my infectious disease specialist for assistance in entering a trial or obtaining a course of a vaccine at my next visit.

The treatment that I have been on for the last 3 months has finished today and even though I feel great, time will tell if it is sustainable .....
 
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elph68..i wish you luck in your holding of current health. I just want to know one thing. How the heck did you learn all this stuff....do you have a background in some form of this medical jargon. I suppose if i was not so sick i could MAYBE remember 1/4 of what you speak. lol You have been great inspiration to if not all of us..to me. I too go on abx but not for the length you do.
 

Elph68

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elph68..i wish you luck in your holding of current health. I just want to know one thing. How the heck did you learn all this stuff....do you have a background in some form of this medical jargon. I suppose if i was not so sick i could MAYBE remember 1/4 of what you speak. lol You have been great inspiration to if not all of us..to me. I too go on abx but not for the length you do.
Hey @roonie, I don't have a medical background, I am a research social scientist who has studied the spread of infectious diseases in the community.

My mind was a mess when this first started also and what has kept me going is the fact that the medical people here basically called me a fruit loop .....

I am not going to say there is an underlying conspiracy from the drug companies ..... all the supplements, potions, injections etc. being peddled by the snake oil sales people are keeping them rich and us broke ..... there is no money in curing this, but there is BIG money in treating symptoms ......

I am totally obliterating my system with probiotics now ...... hopefully that will keep the staph from re-establishing in any great numbers ...... only time will tell
 

JES

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The most likely effective treatment for CFS would then be an anti staph vaccine ..... it seems there are some in the pipeline. Does anybody know if there are any actually in the market??

Yes, there is a long thread about it on PR here. Prof. Gottfries who was former head of Gottfries Clinic kept his CFS/ME in check for decades by using this type of vaccine once a month. Unfortunately the original vaccine is no longer produced, and the alternatives people have tested here have been with mostly disappointing results.
 

Elph68

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Yes, there is a long thread about it on PR here. Prof. Gottfries who was former head of Gottfries Clinic kept his CFS/ME in check for decades by using this type of vaccine once a month. Unfortunately the original vaccine is no longer produced, and the alternatives people have tested here have been with mostly disappointing results.
I believe that is because I don't see anybody talking about Coagulese Negative Staphylococcus (staph eperdidimis) and it seems that the vaccines are aimed at Staph Aureus only ..... Staphypan targeted both Staph Aureus and Staph Eperdidimis and these are the 2 that produce staph slime .......

I have figured that the thought of Staph Eperdidimis causing CFS totally puts the medical profession offside and is way too much of a brain stretch as they are told that this bacteria is basically harmless ..... It is also one of the most common bacteria found on our skin ....... but only 20% of isolates produce slime ...... so when the slime producing strains get in the mucosa, that is when the problems occur .....
 
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i am one of a few that have had a reversal of this only to fall backwards. I had a reversal by starving off something by diet....actually lack of diet...fasting. i stopped eating for 5 days while in hospital for severe back pain. I got shit from the nutritionalist for not eating so i began to eat again and my immune system all began to work properly again..i had no back pain...i got out of that hospital bed and left under my own power..with zero back pain. I got back home and in one week i was back to my old self again. That was back in 1993 and ive been stuck ever since...my immune system is all jammbed up...with what i dont know.
I do know that when i fell back apart that big lumps developed under my skin all over my body. i litterally felt the contents of my gut leak into the rest of my body...every part of my body...even my joints...this is a death sentence and nobody seems to listen or give a dam here in canada. I AM CONVINCED..SOMEBODY..SOMEWHERE ...KNOWS SOMETHING OR/AND IS HIDING SOMETHING...THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON WAY TO MANY YEARS WITH NO ANSWERS.
 
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