Sorry - it's my own diagram. It took me ages to find all the little pieces and put them together in one place.Could you please reference it? I like diagrams too
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Sorry - it's my own diagram. It took me ages to find all the little pieces and put them together in one place.Could you please reference it? I like diagrams too
@CCC thanks for posting in spite of not doing keto! (Just for fun: I was amazed to learn that you - and me alike, and all of us - actually were already on a ketogenic diet: mother's milk )
This is an excellent diagramm. - And now take this: I have a high tryptophan intake
- Tryptophan: 0.6 g or more (the WHO recommends >200mg)
- Total protein: 56 g or more
but metabolites on this diagramm are
- low: 5hiaa 0 (zero!) in 24h urine, melatonin low or normal in 8h urines morning evening night
- normal: serotonine in 24h urine, quinolinic acid and kynurenine in 1st morning spot urine
And I am tested for iron, Zn, Mg (in serum, rbc and celltrend) and all these vitamins (in serum, urine or celltrend) and they are normal, my dietary intakes alike. (On Ca I had a deficit on celltrend, but supplement since.) Where on earth can that tryptophan go? Is there a pathway how it dissipates into nirvana, right out of my body??
And I took a small amount of 5htp (about 1/10th of a 50mg capsule) and it caused these:
first, all good:
- I felt improved gastric motility ( I can feel that. Most people dont. But after more than a decade of yoga, I have quite good "interoceptive sensitivity", just to use a recently learned science-bullshit-bingo term )
- a nice relaxed feeling
but then:
- 4h later, a strong wave of heat allover.
Do you have more of them?Sorry - it's my own diagram. It took me ages to find all the little pieces and put them together in one place.
Ketosis wastes some nutrients in urine like B1 and B5 for instance, plus minerals (Na, K, Mg, don't know about the others but probably Ca as well).Ketones have shown to be neuroprotective and neuroregenerative.
Ketosis wastes some nutrients in urine like B1 and B5 for instance, plus minerals (Na, K, Mg, don't know about the others but probably Ca as well).
I've been trying to do the ketogenic diet and struggling as I am working on my food disciplines. I am much better than it was last year .
What I've been reading on ketogains is that it's important to supplement electrolytes when doing ketogenic otherwise fatigue, muscle cramps ,brain fog can all become problem.
Interesting! Could you point me to research for neurodegenerative? Or just any source where you learned this? I am utmost aware of neuroprotection by ketosis (multiplies mitos), but would like to learn about neurodegenerative effects.Ketones have shown to be neuroprotective and neuroregenerative
Got a reference?Ketosis wastes some nutrients in urine like B1 and B5 for instance, plus minerals (Na, K, Mg, don't know about the others but probably Ca as well).
Interesting! Could you point me to research for neurodegenerative? Or just any source where you learned this? I am utmost aware of neuroprotection by ketosis (multiplies mitos), but would lije to learn about neurodegenerative effects.
Electrolytes:Got a reference?
I originated this issue, so here some comments:The ajcn article is dubious. They are confusing nutritional ketosis with ketoacidosis, two very different phenomena.
The article is from 1967, and they were calling it 'diabetic ketosis'
I think the main issue is that ketones do cause some nutrient wasting. There is an insomnia epidemic amog keto dieters. For me B5 is what resolves insomnia (even better than melatonin supplementation). Acetyl-CoA is needed for melatonin production. But B5 can cause calcification, and I am having soft tissue calcification (incl. endothelium).The ketogenic diet is moderate in protein, so there should be enough B vitamins,
There is an insomnia epidemic amog keto dieters
Additionally, ketosis raises cortisol, and B5 supports the adrenals.
At the beginning yes, but it doesn't seem to hold for most folks.On forums I've searched, many have reported improved sleep after adaptation.
BTW at some point of the process not shown in your diagram T3 is needed to make serotonin. n=1If you want a comment from someone with low 5HIAA who has never been on a ketogenic diet ...
The only thing I can suggest is from this diagram:
View attachment 17753
(Hope it's big enough to read)
We had very, very low 5HIAA at one stage (measured in urine). An attempt to raise serotonin with 5htp was a total disaster and caused a major crash. Looking back, it probably had more to do with a b2 deficiency with the result that there was no breakdown product. We also had high quinolinate.
I know you said it is more than a lab result, but I like to work off diagrams, and this one helped us a lot.
At the beginning yes, but it doesn't seem to hold for most folks.