I can't give my opinion on commercial B complexes since the one I take is locally compounded by prescription of my nutrologist. But I have played a little with single Bvits to know how I react to each one of them.
But I noticed this one you are taking contains vit C which chelates copper and increases my tinnitus too much as well.
I squeeze half a small lemon in a glass of water and drink it just before breakfast. I have been doing it for a year. I think it is one of the things that helped.
I was able to take calcium (~50mg) 3x. The first two times it cleared my brainfog and caused some sort of dumping (very smelly urine). The 3rd time it probably caused increased coagulation (heavy calves) so I never took it again.
Yes, oxalates bind to iron and worsen anemia. I took iron bisglycinate (~4mg) for a few days and the anemia symptoms disappeared. If you have low iron I think B vits will make it worse, esp. B1 and B2. If you have low copper, B6 can make anemia worse.
Perhaps you are deficient in glutamine? I have been taking it very low dose (50 - 100 mg) to stimulate RBC and WBC proliferation and it helps with any pain that my be related with leaky gut and low glutathione. We must be very careful with glutamine though as it can convert to glutamate and cause low B6. My diet has been high in glycine lately (chicken broth - watch out for histamines), so I think this helps to tolerate glutamine better and potentiates glutathione conjugation.
B2 places greater demand on iron (glutamine as well probably).
It would be interesting to check for pathogens (if you haven't already), because I think microbes use oxalates as a shield (biofilm) or produce oxalates as a byproduct inside our bodies.
For me the worst oxalate issues happened at the same time with anemia.
@Gondwanaland, sorry about the delay and sorry this is long. i decreased the copper to decrease the b vitamin demand (till i can supplement b vitamins). it has been messing with my mental clarity. thank you for sharing. unfortunately, we share the oxalate issue and the sensitivity, although i am happy you seem better than a year ago.
the anemia might be back. i might try some iron bisglycinate.
i understand responses to b complexes are probably very individual. how did you find someone who could figure out which b vitamins help you? i tried googling "nutrologist", but it seems like an uncommon term. i recall finding 1 machine translated article. the doctors i have seen haven't known how to do this.
i don't know what b complex i can take other than what i linked earlier since i take 400mcg folic acid as part of a b vitamin drink as compared to only 52mcg methyl b12. ie. the inverse ratio that is recommended. when i decreased folic acid last year, it increased my methylation. i am trying to avoid adding folic acid as i expect it to decrease my methylation. that b complex i mentioned is the only one i found without folic acid / methylfolate. i suppose i could try to get the same thing compounded, but without the vitamin c.
i am also considering reducing my vitamin c since i take 2g and Susan Owens thinks that gets converted to oxalate. i am concerned i might be low in vitamin c, but i cant tell since the test depends on ascorbic acid and Susan says that gets deranged due to oxalate.
it is unclear from symptoms whether i have low vitamin c. i have dry hair, but it isn't splitting. i have bleeding gums, which started after a dental appointment. some skin is dry and a bit scaly. 1 wound healed a bit slowly. i don't seem to be fighting off infections well. all those are possible low vitamin c symptoms. however, i don't have easy bruising or nosebleeds. i am confused. i could test decreasing the vitamin c and see how i do.
i am glad the lemon juice might have helped you. i tried 0.1ml lemon juice and landed up with diarrhea about 10 minutes after. i will try again when i don't start the day with diarrhea, which is recently an oxalate dumping symptom.
your calcium experience sounds confusing and frustrating for you to deal with. i still take 600mg calcium before sleep. i can't tell from the lowoxalate.info site whether calcium away from food increases oxalate dumping or not. i am thinking of reducing my calcium intake to see if the oxalate symptoms decrease. however, like the vitamin c, i am concerned this might decrease my energy too much.
sigh. that iron and b vitamin and copper info is good to know, but so frustrating. did your b complex not cause anemia after you took iron for a few days? did you take your multi mineral first or b complex first or both together?
my 2014 urine amino acid test does say i am low in glutamine. i will look into glutamine. thank you. doesn't glycine get converted to oxalate also? i hope that isn't causing you problems. i wonder if a chicken or bone broth might be a multi mineral of sorts. i seem on the edge of having a histamine issue. touch wood.
maybe after trying a multimineral alone and a b complex alone, i should try taking them together to minimise (or maybe maximise
) issues.
as for pathogens, other than checking for EBV, i have only done the comprehensive stool analysis, which showed a mild (as of 2014) candida infection, amongst other under and overgrowth. you might be right regarding microbes and oxalates.
i can empathise with having to deal with oxalates and anemia at the same time. the anemia seems to show up once the oxalate issues get bad enough.
Ford
