I have been testing nutritional supplements to optimize and treat some of my mental symptoms, for years.
There are lots of supplements that appear to make me hypomanic, feel well etc. My brain seems to be sensitive. SSRI's make me manic too. (Prozac, etc.)
However in order to simplify the process and filter out complicated herbal supplements to avoid complications, last year I tried Activated B Complex in an isolated manner first time in years. Before that I was testing them combined with other herbals and supplements.
In the end, it turned out that I am over sensitive to Activated B mentally. Yes - it makes me manic and overstimulated. It makes me manic in a manner that even taking in combination with anti-manic agents, it breaks the barrier, and still makes me manic although I am a Zombie when using antimanic. It is hypomania and apparent. Not just feeling of happiness.
Yes - I even talk about B12 (Methylcobalamin) in an isolated manner. I have never seen an instance of B12 making manic, going through the academic journals or case reports. There is one opposite instance of B12 deficiency, which made some lady manic. But no similar case to mine or study of B12 making manic. I am speaking of daily amount lower than 1Mg (not exteme amounts relative to the supplement industry).
This is valid for the other active B vitamins too.
At first I feel really good then hypomanic and goes on like this. Then I interrupt and let it remain in a controllable manner - when I take them again I become manic again. I can not imagine what if I take them daily uninterrupted and uncontrollably. The stored B12 in the liver already hold me somewhat symptom free, even make me hypomanic.
At first I thought I had a deficiency. But, years ago when I never used B12 my level was around 210. Ok - it can be a deficiency one persons 210 level can be other persons 50 - this is relative. There are cases that when people are supplemented with B12 even at 200 levels their psychosis seem to be gone.
However lets say that I have a relative deficiency and I need, lets say, minimum 1000 level for normal brain functions. (Just assuming that my brain metabolism needs that)
But it is apparent that feeling of hypomania, over-well feeling etc. are not normal for people. As I wrote, I pass the hypomania mark in a short time of only a day or so. This includes the sleep hours.
So I can not understand what the reason would be. I read elsewhere that B's are closely related to methlyation. And whatever google search I make - the most concentrated discussions and information leads to here - this forum. Would this be related to it? Or what other things?
This is something excellent - yes, all mental problems go away including some symptoms I can not explain here in a detailed manner here (yes, some emotional, psychiatric problems.) but I have just a small worry that what happens if I use it in a continuous manner and it becomes simply ineffective leading to the return of the symptoms including depression and some other similar things. I am not speaking of just becoming manic - lots of problems also go away.
Can we discuss here what are B's doing to me, so I can feel comfortable using them or be cautious considering the possibilitiy of losing effectiveness?
I read here that there is a Methlyation pathway panel tests. Other than this - assuming that there will not be an apparent and abnormal result in that, would we elaborate here what would be going on?
I am speaking of coming from lots of mental bottoms to an extent of symptom free life - and of course this is a combined effort of myself, however B's seem to be one of the most effective part of that. I even do not seem to care some big problems in my life. Yes - I can use them in trace amounts just not to be hypomanic, but just be "fine". But, then again, the question of "what is happening" and "what will happen" worries me, being someone knowing that I have a sensitive chemistry and having a "not so bright" past in terms of mental health.
I would appreciate if you assist me understanding what this would be in order to take necessary precautions or be more "relaxed" on this subject. I am speaking of extreme changes in neurotransmitters. And this is apparent that B's are too effective - I tested this on a trial and error basis.
I know this forum appears to be CFS etc. related however it seems to be on of the most informative forum on B's. Methlation issue or whatever else - the combined information and experience of this forum would give me to some clues. Even not in the extreme manner as mine, overall experience here would lead to some conclusion or a clue on what would be happening. And may be you can suggest somethings.
Thanks in advance!...
There are lots of supplements that appear to make me hypomanic, feel well etc. My brain seems to be sensitive. SSRI's make me manic too. (Prozac, etc.)
However in order to simplify the process and filter out complicated herbal supplements to avoid complications, last year I tried Activated B Complex in an isolated manner first time in years. Before that I was testing them combined with other herbals and supplements.
In the end, it turned out that I am over sensitive to Activated B mentally. Yes - it makes me manic and overstimulated. It makes me manic in a manner that even taking in combination with anti-manic agents, it breaks the barrier, and still makes me manic although I am a Zombie when using antimanic. It is hypomania and apparent. Not just feeling of happiness.
Yes - I even talk about B12 (Methylcobalamin) in an isolated manner. I have never seen an instance of B12 making manic, going through the academic journals or case reports. There is one opposite instance of B12 deficiency, which made some lady manic. But no similar case to mine or study of B12 making manic. I am speaking of daily amount lower than 1Mg (not exteme amounts relative to the supplement industry).
This is valid for the other active B vitamins too.
At first I feel really good then hypomanic and goes on like this. Then I interrupt and let it remain in a controllable manner - when I take them again I become manic again. I can not imagine what if I take them daily uninterrupted and uncontrollably. The stored B12 in the liver already hold me somewhat symptom free, even make me hypomanic.
At first I thought I had a deficiency. But, years ago when I never used B12 my level was around 210. Ok - it can be a deficiency one persons 210 level can be other persons 50 - this is relative. There are cases that when people are supplemented with B12 even at 200 levels their psychosis seem to be gone.
However lets say that I have a relative deficiency and I need, lets say, minimum 1000 level for normal brain functions. (Just assuming that my brain metabolism needs that)
But it is apparent that feeling of hypomania, over-well feeling etc. are not normal for people. As I wrote, I pass the hypomania mark in a short time of only a day or so. This includes the sleep hours.
So I can not understand what the reason would be. I read elsewhere that B's are closely related to methlyation. And whatever google search I make - the most concentrated discussions and information leads to here - this forum. Would this be related to it? Or what other things?
This is something excellent - yes, all mental problems go away including some symptoms I can not explain here in a detailed manner here (yes, some emotional, psychiatric problems.) but I have just a small worry that what happens if I use it in a continuous manner and it becomes simply ineffective leading to the return of the symptoms including depression and some other similar things. I am not speaking of just becoming manic - lots of problems also go away.
Can we discuss here what are B's doing to me, so I can feel comfortable using them or be cautious considering the possibilitiy of losing effectiveness?
I read here that there is a Methlyation pathway panel tests. Other than this - assuming that there will not be an apparent and abnormal result in that, would we elaborate here what would be going on?
I am speaking of coming from lots of mental bottoms to an extent of symptom free life - and of course this is a combined effort of myself, however B's seem to be one of the most effective part of that. I even do not seem to care some big problems in my life. Yes - I can use them in trace amounts just not to be hypomanic, but just be "fine". But, then again, the question of "what is happening" and "what will happen" worries me, being someone knowing that I have a sensitive chemistry and having a "not so bright" past in terms of mental health.
I would appreciate if you assist me understanding what this would be in order to take necessary precautions or be more "relaxed" on this subject. I am speaking of extreme changes in neurotransmitters. And this is apparent that B's are too effective - I tested this on a trial and error basis.
I know this forum appears to be CFS etc. related however it seems to be on of the most informative forum on B's. Methlation issue or whatever else - the combined information and experience of this forum would give me to some clues. Even not in the extreme manner as mine, overall experience here would lead to some conclusion or a clue on what would be happening. And may be you can suggest somethings.
Thanks in advance!...
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