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DSM5 - Ticket back to Reevesville

Dreambirdie

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Hey Maarten--

Just to clarify, that was NOT my letter that I posted, but rather the letter of a local therapist whom I know. He is not an official Jungian, but he does have a background that includes both Jungian and process oriented therapies. He is also an excellent mediation teacher.
 

Dreambirdie

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Hey Suzy--

I checked with him and he said it was fine to post it and publish it. Here's my note to him and his back to me:

"Question: Is it okay if I post your letter (anonymously) on the CFS forum that I'm on.
I think people would appreciate knowing that there are some "good" therapists out there,
who actually have some empathy for sick people. So many of them have had CBT forced on them by jack ass idiots."



"Sure. It doesn't even have to be anonymous. I'm happy to stand behind what I wrote."

John Mizelle
 

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That's great, Dreambirdie, I appreciate you're discussing it with him and I'll add the response to my site, tomorrow, if you think it's implicit that he'd be cool with that.

Suzy
 

Kati

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Here is my letter to APA regarding DSM5. You have my permission to use the same letter or to adapt it to your needs if you want. everyone should write a comment. The deadline to do so is on April 20th.
Back in the days... not so far away, asthma was treated as hysteria. Multiple sclerosis was treated in a psych ward as hysterical paralysis. Stomach ulcers were thought to be associated with type A personalities and stress.

For the last 30 years, history supporting (Osler's Web, Hillary Johnson) the CDC has decided that chronic fatigue syndrome was a psychiatric condition, despite epidemics been declared in different part of the country. Very physical symptoms like flu-like illness, sore throats, neurological symptoms, severe headaches, post exertional relapse, POTS and orthostatic intolerance are thought to be psychosomatic not because someone bothered looking at these symptoms in people, but because it is convenient to treat it as psychosomatic.

For 30 years, some people have been housebound and bedbound, and these were motivated, high achieving career people that suddenly fell ill with flu like illness and never recovered. A lot of it is due to ignorance and rebuttal from the CDC and government and POWER from the psych establishment. A lot of these people lost work and applied for social assistance, disability and a lot of people live with just enough money to have a roof on their head and some food in the fridge. No money for healthcare or medication,

Through these years some well intended individuals have tried to prove CFS was a very physical illness, but funds were never allocated for research or some individual were ridiculed for speaking up about a retrovirus. (Elaine De Freitas, 1991). Dr Peterson and Dr Cheney, Dr Montoya and Klimas, Dr Hyde in Canada are essentially the only doctors in North America serving CFS patients adequately, but there are hundreds of thousands of us and no one to care for us. This happens because CFS is not even thought in med schools, and if it is, students learn about malingering, vague symptoms and that viral infection cannot be treated.

The epidemics of CFS started around the same time of HIV epidemics. And while it took a few months to go from a gay psychosomatic disease to a full scale epidemy, it took years before appropriate medications controled the infection and saved lives. Budjets were eventually allocated in hundreds of millions of $$ to research and to screen blood banks. Meanwhile, in Incline Village, Dr Cheney and Peterson were recieving higher and higher of numbers of patients coming with the same type of disabling symptoms that was felt to be viral.

Come October 2009, Science issues an article from Lombardi and Al. surprising the planet with the discovery of a new RETROVIRUS associated with prostate cancer and with CFS. A mother of a long time patient, Mrs Annette Whittemore invested 5 millions of dollars to fund the Whittemore-Peterson institute, a non profit society that aims are treating and researching neuro-immune disease like CFS, fibromyalgia, atypical MS, autism.

IN my opinion, somatization has to be taken very seriously as a diagnostic of the patient. For instance. I am a registered nurse. I have been ill for 18 months, mostly bedbound. I keep telling my doctor that I have chest pain and shortness of breath and that I am worried about this. I am also coughing for a few months and present with clubbing on my fingers. She sent me to a rheumy who doesn't treat CFS, an endocrinologist who was sympathetic but doesn't know CFS, There is no one to coordinate my care, my family dr doesn't refer me anywhere and I had to do all the calling and request for appointment for infectious disease doctor so I can be assessed properly.

My point is Doctors needs to be educated properly. CFS needs serious budget money to find out if XMRV indeed causes CFS and prostate cancer and not a complext somatic symptom disorder.By putting this in the new DSM5 you are causing harm to patients and prevent them to be assessed as havnig a serious and severe neuro-immune disease.

So when you decide on the somatic issues, remember the hysterical patients that had asthma and MS... Remember the 30 year of denial of health care and deep impact on people's lives, thousands of people. And with the XMRV informations, which news come weekly these days, As sick as it is, patients want to test positive for the retrovirus, as it is their best chance to recover and return to normal activities, return to work and enjoying their lives again.

A diagnostic of complex somatizing disorder would be just another kick in the head, slap on the face and a terrible insult for all patients with chronic fatige syndrome.

Speaking of the name... Have you noticed how insulting the name is for a very serious disease. Chronic- fatigue- syndrome. Was invented just for the psych lobby. This disease was made chronic because no one research and dug deep enough in the physiopathology. While fatigue is a component of the disease, the main aspects are post exertional relapse and Orthostatic intolerance, POTS, etc...

As I finish I would like to refer you to Dr Ellie Stein who is a psychiatrist herself and sees only CFS patients. That would be the only psychiatrist I trust in my care, because she has understood this is a physicall illness.

Thank you for reading me to the end. I really really want my life back, I cycled solo across Canada, ran marathons, and now can barely walk across the street for groceries.

Kati , patient in training.


To write your comments you need to go to the website :http://www.dsm5.org/Pages/Default.aspx and need to register a log in. then go to complex somatizing disorders and write your comments on that secion. Make sure you got your text copied somewhere else before you press send as sometime it doesn't get through.
 

creekfeet

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I'm in the process of registering, to finally write my comment which will be necessarily brief. Not in top form today. But in the course of registering I noticed this:

APA said:
Please check this box if you would like to receive an email about possible participation in DSM-5 field trials. Please note that checking this box does not guarantee that you will be selected to participate. Eligibility depends on whether your site has access to the population in question and whether your site has the technology to access the computerized database required for participation.

Has anybody checked that box? Wonder how they'd like the population here at PR to participate, eh?
 

creekfeet

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Dang, that was harder than it needed to be. Their "captcha" system (copy the letters in the box) is severely stupid. It bumped me out 5 times on registration and once again on commenting. But I made it through.
 

Kati

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Here is my testimony...

Back in the days... not so far away, asthma was treated as hysteria. Multiple sclerosis was treated in a psych ward as hysterical paralysis. Stomach ulcers were thought to be associated with type A personalities and stress.

For the last 30 years, history supporting (Osler's Web, Hillary Johnson) the CDC has decided that chronic fatigue syndrome was a psychiatric condition, despite epidemics been declared in different part of the country. Very physical symptoms like flu-like illness, sore throats, neurological symptoms, severe headaches, post exertional relapse, POTS and orthostatic intolerance are thought to be psychosomatic not because someone bothered looking at these symptoms in people, but because it is convenient to treat it as psychosomatic.

For 30 years, some people have been housebound and bedbound, and these were motivated, high achieving career people that suddenly fell ill with flu like illness and never recovered. A lot of it is due to ignorance and rebuttal from the CDC and government and POWER from the psych establishment. A lot of these people lost work and applied for social assistance, disability and a lot of people live with just enough money to have a roof on their head and some food in the fridge. No money for healthcare or medication,

Through these years some well intended individuals have tried to prove CFS was a very physical illness, but funds were never allocated for research or some individual were ridiculed for speaking up about a retrovirus. (Elaine De Freitas, 1991). Dr Peterson and Dr Cheney, Dr Montoya and Klimas, Dr Hyde in Canada are essentially the only doctors in North America serving CFS patients adequately, but there are hundreds of thousands of us and no one to care for us. This happens because CFS is not even thought in med schools, and if it is, students learn about malingering, vague symptoms and that viral infection cannot be treated.

The epidemics of CFS started around the same time of HIV epidemics. And while it took a few months to go from a gay psychosomatic disease to a full scale epidemy, it took years before appropriate medications controled the infection and saved lives. Budjets were eventually allocated in hundreds of millions of $$ to research and to screen blood banks. Meanwhile, in Incline Village, Dr Cheney and Peterson were recieving higher and higher of numbers of patients coming with the same type of disabling symptoms that was felt to be viral.

Come October 2009, Science issues an article from Lombardi and Al. surprising the planet with the discovery of a new RETROVIRUS associated with prostate cancer and with CFS. A mother of a long time patient, Mrs Annette Whittemore invested 5 millions of dollars to fund the Whittemore-Peterson institute, a non profit society that aims are treating and researching neuro-immune disease like CFS, fibromyalgia, atypical MS, autism.

IN my opinion, somatization has to be taken very seriously as a diagnostic of the patient. For instance. I am a registered nurse. I have been ill for 18 months, mostly bedbound. I keep telling my doctor that I have chest pain and shortness of breath and that I am worried about this. I am also coughing for a few months and present with clubbing on my fingers. She sent me to a rheumy who doesn't treat CFS, an endocrinologist who was sympathetic but doesn't know CFS, There is no one to coordinate my care, my family dr doesn't refer me anywhere and I had to do all the calling and request for appointment for infectious disease doctor so I can be assessed properly.

My point is Doctors needs to be educated properly. CFS needs serious budget money to find out if XMRV indeed causes CFS and prostate cancer and not a complext somatic symptom disorder.By putting this in the new DSM5 you are causing harm to patients and prevent them to be assessed as havnig a serious and severe neuro-immune disease.

So when you decide on the somatic issues, remember the hysterical patients that had asthma and MS... Remember the 30 year of denial of health care and deep impact on people's lives, thousands of people. And with the XMRV informations, which news come weekly these days, As sick as it is, patients want to test positive for the retrovirus, as it is their best chance to recover and return to normal activities, return to work and enjoying their lives again.

A diagnostic of complex somatizing disorder would be just another kick in the head, slap on the face and a terrible insult for all patients with chronic fatige syndrome.

Speaking of the name... Have you noticed how insulting the name is for a very serious disease. Chronic- fatigue- syndrome. Was invented just for the psych lobby. This disease was made chronic because no one research and dug deep enough in the physiopathology. While fatigue is a component of the disease, the main aspects are post exertional relapse and Orthostatic intolerance, POTS, etc...

As I finish I would like to refer you to Dr Ellie Stein who is a psychiatrist herself and sees only CFS patients. That would be the only psychiatrist I trust in my care, because she has understood this is a physicall illness.

Thank you for reading me to the end. I really really want my life back, I cycled solo across Canada, ran marathons, and now can barely walk across the street for groceries.

Kati, patient in training.


Your opinion counts... You have until April 20th to leave a comment!
http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevisions/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=368



ETA Brain fog city!!! Never realized I posted this last night !!!!
 

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Invest in ME submission to DSM-5 draft proposals

NB: I've been chasing Action for M.E. today as they have not yet published.

Suzy

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Invest in ME submission to DSM-5 draft proposals


http://www.investinme.org/Article-420 APA DSM-V Submission.htm

The American Psychiatric Association has recently called for comments to be forwarded regarding their draft proposal for DSM-V (Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM) is the standard classification of mental disorders used by mental health professionals in the United States and contains a listing of diagnostic criteria for every psychiatric disorder recognized by the U.S. healthcare system).

Included in DSM-V is a section entitled Complex Somatic Symptom Disorders.

Considering that psychiatrists in the UK have caused such harm to people with ME and their families over the past generation Invest in ME decided that input needed to be made to the APA regarding this section.

Below is Invest in ME's response - submitted on 19th April 2010.

[Content superceded by third draft May 2, 2012]

http://www.dsm5.org/ProposedRevisions/Pages/proposedrevision.aspx?rid=368


Submission - to the American Psychiatric Association on DSM-V

Invest in ME is an independent UK charity campaigning for bio-medical research into Myalgic Encephalomyelitis (ME or ME/CFS), as defined by WHO-ICD-10-G93.3 - (also referred to as Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) - although in this letter we shall use the term ME/CFS).

Even though we are not mental health professionals or represent people with mental health disorders we feel it important to comment on the draft proposal of DSM-V.

This response should be seen against the backdrop of the devastation caused by some psychiatrists in the UK regarding their treatment of people with ME/CFS and their promotion of false perceptions about the disease to the public, healthcare authorities and government.

When a generation of patients have been adversely affected by misinformation promoted by a section of psychiatrists in the UK and when the field of psychiatry has been brought into disrepute by these same psychiatrists then it is of paramount importance that the American Psychiatric Association are aware of the dangers inherent in establishing incorrect categories of disorders which are based on poor science, vested interests or which do not serve the patients for whom they must surely be priority in all healthcare provision.

We are especially concerned about the criteria described in the new category of Complex Somatic Symptom Disorder which seems to lump together many illnesses. It cannot be helpful for clinicians or researchers to have such a variety of patients under one category especially when very little is known of the pathophysiology of these conditions placed in this category.

In the CSSD Criteria B there are terms used which are subjective and not measurable - such as “health concerns” and “catastrophising”.

Based on our experience with the treatment of an organic illness such as ME/CFS our concern is that there is a great danger of mis- or missed diagnoses when looking at this category and its diagnostic criteria.

Not all physical illnesses can be easily determined without extensive investigations and this category may allow clinicians to miss brain tumours, rare cancers and other illnesses which are difficult to diagnose.

The criteria are very vague and allow too much subjectivity.

In fact, ME/CFS could mistakenly be placed in this category if one were to ignore the huge volume of biomedical research and evidence which shows it to be an organic illness and if one were to use only the broad CSSD criteria to diagnose.

Such an action would be a major and costly mistake.

The patients we are concerned with suffer from Myalgic Encephalomyelitis which is a neurological disease but all too often these patients are being treated as if they had a somatoform illness.

Parents of children with ME are restricted in visiting their severely ill children in hospital or worse still the children are taken away from their families as the healthcare professional believes it is the family that is keeping the child ill.

Severely ill grown ups with this disease are denied usual medical care and threatened with sectioning if they are too ill to care for themselves and ask for help.

This not only sets patient against healthcare professional but also is a waste of resources and of lives. In the UK the profession of psychiatry also suffers as psychiatrists are often derided as uncaring, unscientific and unprofessional. The possibility of litigation ensuing against psychiatrists who cause such damage should also not be forgotten.

A broad unspecific category such as the proposed Complex Somatic Symptom Disorder does not help patients who need an honest and clear diagnosis. Any illness lacking a diagnostic test is in danger of being put into this non specific category which helps no one.

We are at least thankful that the APA has not attempted to repeat the major mistake being made by prominent UK psychiatrists in attempting to classify Myalgic Encephalomyelitis in amongst Complex Somatic Symptom Disorders.

Such a course of action would create another source of conflict between patients and the field of psychiatry and lead to unnecessary loss of health, potential loss of life and possible legal actions being taken against those professional organizations and/or individuals who use incorrect guidance for their diagnoses,

Yours Sincerely,

Kathleen McCall

Chairman Invest in ME
Charity Nr 1114035

Invest in ME
PO Box 561
Eastleigh SO50 0GQ
Hampshire
England
 

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Action for M.E. statement submitted to DSM-5

(Well, they didn't exactly spend much time on that, did they?)

Action for M.E.

Statement to the American Psychiatric Association in relation to the possibility of M.E./CFS being classified as a psychiatric disorder (submitted last night):

http://www.afme.org.uk/news.asp?newsid=812

Complex Somatic Symptom Disorder
20 April 2010


Action for M.E.'s statement to the American Psychiatric Association in relation to the possibility of M.E./CFS being classified as a psychiatric disorder:

Action for M.E. would like to thank the American Psychiatric Associations for the opportunity to comment on the the fifth edition of its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5).

We were gravely concerned and alarmed to hear of the possibility of CFS/ME being classified as a psychiatric disorder, based on comments made in their Work Group on somatoform disorders.

As the largest by far CFS/ME charity in the UK, Action for M.E. would stress that CFS/M.E. is a long-term and disabling physical illness. M.E. is classified by the World Health Organisation in ICD 10 G93.3 as a neurological disorder. There is a large and growing body of evidence from scientific research and from clinicians which supports this position.

We oppose any attempt to classify CFS/M.E. as a psychiatric disorder either explicitly or implicitly.
 

Esther12

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(Well, they didn't exactly spend much time on that, did they?)

Action for M.E.

Statement to the American Psychiatric Association in relation to the possibility of M.E./CFS being classified as a psychiatric disorder (submitted last night):

http://www.afme.org.uk/news.asp?newsid=812

Complex Somatic Symptom Disorder
20 April 2010


Action for M.E.'s statement to the American Psychiatric Association in relation to the possibility of M.E./CFS being classified as a psychiatric disorder:

Action for M.E. would like to thank the American Psychiatric Association’s for the opportunity to comment on the the fifth edition of its Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-5).

We were gravely concerned and alarmed to hear of the possibility of CFS/ME being classified as a psychiatric disorder, based on comments made in their Work Group on somatoform disorders.

As the largest by far CFS/ME charity in the UK, Action for M.E. would stress that CFS/M.E. is a long-term and disabling physical illness. M.E. is classified by the World Health Organisation in ICD 10 G93.3 as a neurological disorder. There is a large and growing body of evidence from scientific research and from clinicians which supports this position.

We oppose any attempt to classify CFS/M.E. as a psychiatric disorder either explicitly or implicitly.

?

That is pathetic. It's just thoughtless. Why even bother?

Saying that, I've not finished mine yet and it's the last day. Time for one final push.
 

V99

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Action for ME response is a joke. Can they not be bothered to write a detailed explanation? What are they doing?
 

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It barely differs from the brief "holding statement" that Action for M.E. published a few weeks ago. Given the review exercise has been 10 weeks long, there would have been time for AfME to have used its Facebook site to consult with its members over what issues and concerns might be raised within a response from Action for M.E. - so it's disappointing that AfME has not invested much time in this response and that they have not addressed any specific issues within the proposals.

Action for M.E. was provided with all the relevant links and PDF copies of the two key documents (the full proposals and rationale document) so there was no excuse for not having scrutinised the material.

Esther - you don't have 20+ staff and a CEO on 70K at your disposal - AfME does and it has been aware of the DSM-5 revision since early last year, when I first started raising awareness.

But then it has known about the revision of DSM-IV since mid 2002 when it agreed to take on the administration of Dr Richard Sykes' CISSD Project, when AfME absorbed Westcare UK.

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My letter:

In the previous century, people suffering from Multiple Sclerosis were sent to psychiatrists and given a diagnosis of "Hysterical Paralysis," or deemed to have "Faker's Illness." Scientific advances were able to prove the existence of a serious disease.

People with ulcers were instructed, 20 years ago, to drink milk and get away from stress. Some gave up their careers in order to keep their stress levels down. H. pylori was discovered, and Dr. Barry J. Marshall one of the researchers who discovered the bacteria, finally resorted to having his stomach scoped to prove it was disease free, and then drinking a vial of liquid laced with H. pylori to prove it existed. Until then, he and his colleagues were scorned by members of the psychiatric community as well as the medical community. After drinking the vial of laced liquid, Dr. Marshall had his stomach tested again and it was proven that H. pylori had already begun to cause an ulcer in his stomach. A scientific advance and a courageous researcher proved that ulcers have a physical cause that comes from outside the body- they are not caused by stress. Other studies also showed that some NSAIDS can lead to stomach ulcers.

Interstitial Cystitis was once believed to be caused by "anxiety" and again, the treatment was to see a psychiatrist. Currently, testing using hydrodistention to inflate the bladder and then using a scope to examine and biopsy the bladder walls has proven that IC has a physical cause. Anxiety was created by psychiatrists who insisted that sufferers were imagining symptoms, or that the symptoms related to childhood sexual abuse.

The list goes on. Parkinson's was once considered a hysterical disease. Again, advances in science were able to prove that Parkinson's is a very real, and devastating, disease.

It is arrogant to believe that we know everything about the human body and brain, and that mental health professionals have the ability to diagnose and treat illnesses that science has yet to catch up to. In my training as a counselor, we were always told that the first step with a new client is asking them to get a full medical checkup. Of course, this can still miss more complex illnesses that research has yet to catch up to. But the answer is not to treat sufferers as if they have a mental disease. MS will not be cured by antidepressants or talking therapy. Neither will ulcers. The true cure may be pushed further and further into the future when a disease continues to be classified as mental in origin.

When an illness is poorly understood, a patient may be forced into the position of being their own researcher, to an extent. This might include focusing a lot of attention on the illness. This proposed category of mental illness, Complex Somatic Symptom Disorder, essentially includes anyone who has a disease that is yet poorly understood by researchers and clinicians. It would rope in ME/CFS, a disease the WHO has already categorized as neurological. It would include Fibromyalgia. While there are many more sophisticated lab tests that can show abnormalities in both of these cases, your definition would include anyone who has concerns about their health or searches for more information, and in a disease that is poorly understood as of yet, or that has not had the kind of advocacy work around it like MS and Parkinson's.

It is poor science on the part of the mental health profession to declare that, essentially, if medical research cannot pinpoint the cause or the exact progression of a disease as of today, then it must be a mental disturbance. History has shown that the mental health profession has been wrong countless times, and has caused enormous suffering, when it comes to illnesses that are as yet poorly understood. Indeed, the involvement of mental health workers helps to create that poor understanding, by trying to claim as their own any illness that is not yet very well understood to be organic. Do not make this mistake again. By 2010, we should have long ago stopped classifying individuals with organic diseases as mentally ill.
 

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Esther wrote:
The 'Validity Proposal' doesn't seem to be available on their site anymore, but I was able to get it off yours. Great stuff.

Some of the URLs for the two key PDFs have been broken on the APA's DSM-5 website since 10 February, when the proposals were first released.

[Content superceded by third draft May, 2 2012]



Suzy
 

Esther12

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'Somatic symptoms' - does this now mean 'psycho-somatic'?

I thought somatic symptoms could include physical ones? (If you sprained your ankle - that would be a somatic condition). So do people with (for example) AIDS suffer from a chronic somatic condition?

If anyone knows, please answer! Ta.
 

Esther12

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I am writing to explain my concerns about the proposed DSM-5 guidelines for ‘Complex Somatic Symptom Disorder’.

The Validity Proposal recognises that basing diagnosis upon a negative is unpopular with patients, is not respected by practitioners and creates a high danger of misdiagnosis. However, the newly proposed guidelines contain weak safeguards to prevent CSSD becoming another diagnosis of exclusion, with the criteria easily fulfilled by patients suffering from poorly understood and purely physical conditions rather than from a psychiatric disorder.

Sections A and C of the criteria would be met by most patients suffering from serious chronic health problems. Section B is designed to identify ‘misattributions, excessive concern or preoccupation with symptoms and illness’. However, a number of components of section B (only two of which need be fulfilled for a diagnosis to be made) could apply to patients suffering from a solely physical illness.

Most worrying are numbers one and five, which seem to include normal responses to illness, and could even be concerning in their absence.

(1)High level of health-related anxiety: Were a patient suffering from a disabling and poorly understood physical condition, a high level of health related anxiety would be part of a normal response.

(5) Health concerns assume a central role in their lives: The health concerns of patients should be expected to vary depending upon the level and nature of their disability. In some instances it would be entirely normal and healthy for patients to give a central role to their health concerns.

Numbers two and four would again seem to rest upon a negative, and presumption that we can consistently and accurately identify which health complaints are genuinely threatening and serious:

(2) Normal bodily symptoms are viewed as threatening and harmful: Presumably, the patient would not believe that their bodily symptoms are normal, and the conclusion of the medical practitioner that they are mistaken would often necessarily rest upon a negative.

(4) Belief in the medical seriousness of their symptoms despite evidence to the contrary: It is often impossible to be able to have compelling positive evidence to the contrary – with the absence of evidence of seriousness being used instead. To avoid basing diagnosis upon a negative a clear distinction between positive evidence that a patient’s symptoms are not serious and an absence of evidence that they are should be made. There is a danger here that simply disagreeing with your medical practitioner could be presumed to be evidence of a psychological disorder.

While number three seems the criterion that would require evidence of distortions of thought, even here there is a danger that the health professional is mistaken, and the patient’s ‘catastrophising’ will be justifed.

(3) A tendency to assume the worst about their health (catastrophising).

If this diagnosis is not to be based upon the absence of an identifiable and clearly understood physical condition, and is to be consistently applied, then it should be recognised that most patients with chronic somatic symptoms are likely to fulfil the current criteria. It is my expectation that the diagnosis will only be applied to those suffering from health conditions which are currently medically unexplained, only now with the pretence that this is not a diagnosis resting upon a negative, but rather requires ‘misattributions, excessive concern or preoccupation with symptoms and illness’.

To avoid creating a disorder that could include the majority of those suffering from chronic health problems it either needs to be made explicit that this diagnosis rests upon a negative and is likely to include patient suffering from currently unexplained medical conditions and who do not suffer from ‘misattributions, excessive concern or preoccupation with symptoms and illness’ or else section B needs to be significantly revised, with only part 3 currently being fit for purpose.

The proposed criteria for Complex Somatic Symptom Disorder does not resolve the problems which were identified in the Validity Proposal, but has created yet more instead. Significant alteration will be required if this is to become a practical and useful diagnosis for patients and practitioners.