NilaJones
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Ok, I looked it up. I don't think I have reactions to any of those foods, but still too fuzzyheaded to think sensibly.
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I have never heard of histamine intolerance. Care to give a rundown?
I did find a gift card I had forgotten, about, so I used it to order some BCAAs and some creatine, and will give both a try . I am also taking a little time off b12 because it was feeling like too much.
I'm fairly sure arachidonic acid is peanut oil.
I have not. I'm sort of hoping it doesn't apply to me....head in the sand....etc. Last night I looked up some CYP17A1 mutations. It was too much. I can only take so much truth at a time.Have you checked out the mast cell forum here? What do you make of that stuff?
I actually have just limited the quantity of the high histamine foods, and in a day or so, without being perfect, I could tell a huge difference. For example, I made a stew the day I found that article. I still ate it the next day, kept it really cold, and then fed it to my friend and myself a day or two later. But I also know that beef was only hung for 2 weeks before cutting and freezing (my friends did it.) And I didn't have any other histamines in the meal. I also haven't had a problem usually, with tuna or sardines. But just watching how I react is very informative.I see what you mean by the histamine diet being restrictive! How long did you need to be on it before noticing improvement? I am hoping to get a sense on how I should plan my groceries .
It also excludes some of the foods that have been very helpful to me -- yogurt, spinach, etc.
And I see that my dinner last night, at the time I took the niacin, was very high in histamine :/.
I read that too. Arachidonic is polyunsaturated, peanut oil is saturated. But if you have a history of inflammatory disease, you should stay away from the arachidonic. You could still use peanut oil if it doesn't bother you.From what I read on wikipedia, sounds like arachidonic acid would increase my inflammation problem, which is a no go for me. Though peanuts do not.
NilaJones,I do have this problem, though, that clams are the only source of b12 I have found that I can tolerate...
NilaJones,
I hope you do only have to try it for a few days. Apparently some people get fast results, some have to do it for about 4 weeks.
When you cut down the other high histamine foods, you may be able to tolerate either b12 supplements or clams. There is no such thing as a histamine-free diet. It's just a matter of controlling quantities of histamine. Unlike allergies, where a few molecules may set you off, histamines are dose-dependent. It may just be a balancing act. And it could be that if you find a good brand of clams and never keep them in the fridge after they are opened that you'll be OK.
I could tell a major difference the week I just gave up dairy (and sugar, peanuts and high-fructose corn syrup), and it was probably just the fermented stuff giving me problems. I don't know, I haven't tested fresh milk yet, but I got away with the small amount of butter just recently. But even when I was still eating the spinach and tomatoes, being off the dairy I was enough better that I could get off my breathing meds (Foradil, Albuterol). The mystery has remained for 10 months now, why I kept reacting some of the time. This gives me such hope.
My nurse practitioner may be starting to let go of the idea that I have gluten or gliaden sensitivities. I've done the elimination diet and totally don't react to wheat, which I believe has both. I do react to oats, or at least did, when I did the elimination diet, but who knows what histamines I was eating then? Besides, I have respiratory, not gut, reactions to it.
I've been on and off diets all my life for obesity (since age 3), so food restrictions, either quantity or content, aren't new to me. Since I developed this breathing problem, I've experimented about 6 different ways of eating - TCM warm foods to dispell cold and phelgm, the no sugar/dairy/peanuts/HFCS, the elimination diet, a couple others, low sulfur for a week, and now low histamine. I'm sort of beyond caring what I eat, and what my sister used to call "sick and tired of being sick and tired", and if there were a good liquid meal replacement I could use, there are days that I would probably do it. I really hate to say goodbye to tomatoes and spinach and peppers. Living in the Southwest US, those are the staples of life. What, no salsa? No hot sauce? No mole'? My attitude toward sandwiches has been "give me some lettuce and tomato, and I don't care what else you put on it." But it's like when I had to give up beer (due to anaphylactic reaction): nothing beats breathing. Being able to breathe is one of the best positive behavioral reinforcements I've found.