This may sound hokey..Rife Machine for CFS

[Wayne]

To someone who has studied physical chemistry and understands the basis of spectroscopy, it does not seem plausible. The problem is a complete lack of specificity. Oh and the power output is likely insufficient (depending on the actual device), although that should prevent the device from being harmful.

Hi again Snow Leopard,

BTW, I love your avatar. There's just such a magnificence about so many of these animals of the wild.

Regarding some of the science you mention; I really don't have the background to determine what's supposedly scientifically viable regarding the Rife machine technology. What I do often rely on for my own judgments however is whether there's compelling evidence to efficacy.

I know this doesn't seem reasonable to someone who is trained to have a bias toward "scientific based evidence". But "scientific thinking" has it's own limitations, and lends itself to all kinds of unintentional and even deliberate distortions. How else could ME/CFS ever be communicated so effectively to be a psychiatric disorder?

I'm curious if you've ever researched the history of Royal Rife and his frequency machine. I find the story quite fascinating. I would think that anybody who took the time to find out what went on behind the scenes can only be amazed at the power and corruption of the conventional medical establishment (often in alliance with governmental agencies).

It makes you wonder; if the Rife machine was so medically and scientifically impossible, then why did so many forces came into play to stop this revolutionary and low-cost therapeutic modality? As usual, follow the money. That's generally where you'll find answers.

I hope this doesn't come across as debating points. I just think that frequencies of all sorts can be very powerful and beneficial, even if modern science doesn't yet have the capability to adequately measure its effects.

Best, Wayne

 

[Sunday]

I agree with you, Wayne. We simply don't know what's going to work for us until we try it. Obviously, we want to do some research, but we know we can't count on science for everything we need to know: science hasn't even found a test that will show whether we've got something! But I think we all know we do, right?

Harking back to the beginning of this discussion, and a little off the topic of Rife: there are many natural antivirals and I would take them and recommend them before taking the pharmaceutical ones which tend to have such dire side effects. Lemon oil is one of the most powerful, but it must be therapeutic grade, less than a year old (citrus oils degrade fast) and kept airtight in a cool dark place. Several drops at a time, if you get extra it's no problem because it's just tasty food, and delicious on toast and honey, or in ice water when it's hot. It's also an excellent antibacterial.

There are also several medicinal mushrooms that are anti-viral. I researched and found ones that are antiviral, NOT antioxidant (I'm following the Cheney/Whittemore/Peterson recommendations), and tasty (turkey tail and reishi are highly medicinal, but a bit like gnawing on old pine bark). Here's the list: shiitake, oyster mushrooms, matsutake, maitake. www.fungusamongus.com has dried organic medicinal mushrooms and their bulk section has them for amazing prices. You must cook mushrooms for at least 1/2 hour or 40 minutes to make their medicinal qualities digestible.

 

[D Bergy]

I do not pretend to understand how the frequencies affect a particular pathogen, but I can tell that it does affect some of them. I do not even think it kills most pathogens, but just damages them a bit, or slows them up enough for the immune system to finish them off.

It is not the cure to all diseases, but can be another useful tool for some of them. It is hard to say for certain how much potential it has, since Rife and a handful of doctors and researchers were the only ones to ever really seriously test it out. It was outlawed as a quack treatment, but no government or medical agency ever bothered to even test it at the time, in spite of the pile of evidence that it did in fact work.

Power does not seem to be as important as you would think it would be. I have used very weak machines, and now use one of the more powerful ones. The more powerful one does work better, but the gains are not as great as I thought it would be.
The correct frequency is critically important.

I have the machine in the link below, as well as another one that is no longer made.
The one I have now is real close to the original 1930's machine.

http://www.gbgenerators.com/m.o.p.a.html

You also can build your own if you are electronically inclined.

If you have the opportunity to try a machine first, that would be a good way to see if it will be helpful. With CFS that is unknown at this time. If you think you know the pathogen or pathogens responsible for the condition, you will have a much better chance.

I can tell you that Strep is present in almost everyone. The DNA frequencies for XMRV do seem to hit the virus, as it did make my guts sore, and my son also reacted in a similar way to those frequencies. That does not mean that it eliminated the virus, but people have eliminated other viruses this way, or at least the conditions caused by the viruses.

One person eliminated Ramsey Hunt syndrome, which he could not cure with antivirals. Herpes Zoster was the virus involved. You simply do not get rid of this condition using any treatment, but he did using frequency treatments. It is hard to come to any other conclusion other than it worked as it should.

Not all results are that spectacular, and sometimes there are no results at all, but as you use this method over time, you do see some pretty impressive results from time to time. Often when you do not expect anything.

Dan

 

[Snow Leopard]

Thank you for your kind words on my avatar. It is unfortunate how close to extinction snow leopards have been driven.

Biosensors, (detection is also a logical consequence of the invention) spectroscopy etc. have been part of my degree, so I am basing this on my own understanding, rather than trusting the word of the scientific establishment.
The problem is that when you go beyond the microwave (molecular rotation) range, you lose specificity. But yet the Rife machine frequencies are even lower than I would predict to be the approximate range. Secondly, the quoted figues of the Rife and Beam Ray devices, besides not correlating with one another, also don't correlate with the morphology of the microparasites in question.

My sources of information on the Rife and related devices are here:
http://www.rifevideos.com/chapter_8_1935_rife_ray_4_rife_machine.html
http://www.rife.de/scoon_1931_rife_ray_machine.html

 

[carolwxyz99]

The Atelier Robin F165 is the machine people experienced with rife machines seem to be moving on to.

http://www.pachealthonline.com/products.htm

 

[D Bergy]

One of the most reliable papers on Rife and his devices is right here. Much of this information regarding the actual frequencies he used for disease has just been discovered.

http://www.rife.de/history_of_rife_instruments.html

If you read all of the historical material available on Rife, you do come to the conclusion that he was not one to make stuff up. He was exceptionally careful, even anal about testing and retesting everything. Since his time, lots of nonsense has been put out there, but you have to start with what he accomplished and how he tested it, and go from there.

It is a very interesting subject, with huge potential, if it can be used successfully for most pathogens. There was some experimentation at a major university being done regarding frequency treatments and its effects on Pancreatic Cancer. Results are not yet available, although the research is complete. The papers have not yet been published. It will be interesting to see what results were seen, if any.

Dan

 

[Snow Leopard]

Given that he never did any rigorous double blind studies, merely stating that he was honest and tried to be careful doesn't really lead to any conclusions.

 

[D Bergy]

You can come to the conclusion that he was not a scammer, and since he was a genius by most any measure, odds are he was smart enough to know the difference between fact and fiction. He did manage to build a microscope in the 30's that had magnification abilities that have only been rivaled recently. If he could figure that out without the aid of computers, I am quite sure he was capable of telling if a particular frequency could kill a microbe while watching it.

Dan

 

[Lelvina]

I have found Rifing quite effective -- but I couldn't handle the dieoff/herx.

Sometimes I can feel it doing something. I agree though, go slow. Sometimes, when it worked I got quite a die off.

I am going to be trying Rife again, I used it a few years ago. It didn't make a huge difference (I think).

 

[Lee Ann]

Hello Wayne,
We've ordered the Doug Coil. I'm expecting it (fingers crossed) any day. It doesn't come all at once. There are three separate pieces. I've gotten only the amp so far. I ordered everything a month ago. If you have any other questions, just let me know.
Lee Ann

 

[Jacque]

I am new to this thread. I don't think it is hokey at all! I have a rife machine and when I run Candida settings I get white "poo" and when I run Lyme settings I have burning bones, brain, and muscles "herx"... So I have no doubt they work and have made the decision to get serious with this mode of healing due to my adverse experience with Rituxan and Valcyte. I have the genetic mutation making detox hellish for me...

I have been researching different machines for a month as I know mine is not the very best. I ordered a BCX Ultra yesterday after a month of reading and researching. www.bioelectricsforhealth.com Judy Erwin sold the unit to me and she herself nearly died from Rocky Mountain Spotted Fever, EBV, ETC... It took her about 2 years to come back from death but she has a LIFE NOW...

She was VERY candid with me and told me I have a lot of hellish herx days ahead, but that she would help coach me throught them and teach me how to little by little knock down the fungus, bacteria, and viral load in my body. She told me that after being ill for 40 years...I am looking at 2 years to completely get back to health. That is not gunna be easy for this type A who wants things NOW... but it seems like the best option available to me for right "now"... I have a lot of damage I did with the chemo...and a lot of rebuilding to do.

I was very impressed to hear that the Envita clinic and many others are recommending the BCX Ultra to all of their Lymies, CFSers etc. I also have a friend who is completing her 4th round of IV Abx (it always comes back) and her doc is a Lyme specialist up in San Francisco. She told me her physician says this the best machine for what we have ...so that was assuring to hear.

This is not the treatment modality for everyone...but it makes complete sense to me...

I read a lot of the posts and they right that a lot the machines don't get the penetration one needs...that is why the the BCX has the "contact" electrodes.

This may or may not work for me...but after what I have been through with Rituxan etc...it "feels" so right to be doing, and without the harmful toxic drugs... So stay "tuned"... I am gonna fry the bastards!!!

 

[HowToEscape?]

Something sounds odd about this process. When it works, you feel worse, which is considered good, because it must be a Herxhiemer condition. Hx conditions do happen, though it seems they are normally rare. (our messed-up systems are somewhat rare also)

I'd hazard a guess that around 90% the time, if a miracle cure makes one feel worse, it is in fact making one worse. Hx makes for a great can't lose setup for miracle-of-the-month shops: if you get better we cured you, if you get worse we're curing you. Now if I could run a bank like that... oh, wait.
I'd rather know that an adverse reaction is really nasty things dying off by checking for remains of said nasties, instead of guessing.

 

[John H Wolfe]

if you get better we cured you, if you get worse we're curing you. Now if I could run a bank like that... oh, wait

Hahaha

Inclined to agree, the old 'well at least it's proof it's not a placebo' can only buy you so much credibility when all you can say with any certainty is that a treatment has made you feel worse

I should note that I'm all for trying different treatments (including alternative therapies) and remaining as open minded as possible - just good to be as informed as poss, and wary of forking out too much in the pursuit of your health goals - particularly in the absence of (broad) demonstrative efficacy/advocacy

 

[Jacque]

I completely understand your statement... But in 40 years of attempting to battle Lyme and the Co infections...I have found that no matter what I take Samento, Abx, Colloidal Silver, Rife treatments...they ALL give me the SAME reaction...which is not fun..and when you have my detox mutant gene...even more UNfun... I wish there was an easier way out of Lyme...than to have to kill it... It is hell to live with and misery to kill.

Over the years I have read all I can on Royal Raymond Rifes work...and I do think somewhere it is well documented about pathogens dieing off and then releasing bio toxins into the system. All I know is I have been through it over 50 times and herxing happens and it sucks, but there is NO other way out of this for me...right now anyhow...

And in regard to the remains of the nasties... I have seen em in my poo 2 days after running candida and parasite settings. I know whole heartedly that Rife treatments work...its just will they work for "me"...and am I strong and patient enuf to endure the bouts of herx...

Well I tried the Rituxan and that was not the way for me... Then the Valcyte made me BAD ill... so now I am off to trying the BCX Ultra... Stories are just stories...but there are some good ones on the site www.bioelectricsforhealth.com and they don't tout a magical cure but a slow climb back to health and I like that... because it is realisitic..

So say a little prayer...cuz what if this does work??? And we all spend $2,700 and can cure ourselves from all of our infections at HOME!!! In the last 40 years I have given at least 250K to doctors..and gone backward...so $2,700 is a drop in the bucket..."sort of" lol Also keep in mind there is a LOT more that could be said online abt the successes and therapies for Rife...but the FDA and the $$$powers that be...don't like it... No $$ for them - cuts into their profits...

Stay tuned...

 

[Wayne]

And we all spend $2,700 and can cure ourselves from all of our infections at HOME!!!

Hi Jacque, I very much liked your post. Just thought I'd mention, that in Rife's early days of testing the FFC didn't have the kind of power and control it does today, and many of the radio waves that Rife generated were actually sent out several miles [would be illegal today]. I've often thought about that, and how an entire community could be treated with radio frequencies originating from just ONE source. Talk about a nightmare scenario for the pharmaceutical industry!

 

[Sushi]

I also have a Rife machine and when I run through the frequencies for different pathogens, the ones I get strong "hits" on are the ones that have shown up in lab tests. "Dosing" is very tricky though.

Sushi

 

[golden]

Can I ask If I wanted to get one - which one should I get and how much would I need ?

It would have to be one that really works !

Namaste

 

[Sushi]

golden

They are expensive! I think Jacque has done the most recent research, but it is something that needs good research as it is a big investment. I think Jacque said something like $2,500?

Sushi

 

[snowathlete]

Anyone who understans the technology able to explain why they are so expensive?

I think these machines are interesting.

 

[golden]

golden

They are expensive! I think Jacque has done the most recent research, but it is something that needs good research as it is a big investment. I think Jacque said something like $2,500?

Sushi

Thanks Sushi ! (and jacque )

I did see that figure mentioned but blocked it out of my mind ha ha

I can immediately half it and put it into pounds - it doesn't sound as bad !

I remember another PR rife expert telling me 60pounds - but I fear that wouldn't do the job for me ...
And I would have to get my computer up and running too ....

Very interesting thread , thankyou