Cutting back on the vegetables is something I need to try for awhile. I eat a diet very high in fresh fruits and vegetables. If food folate blocks the MTHF in my body, almost no supplemented amount would counteract the quantities I eat. Your detailed explanation of folates in food was very informative, dbkita.
You are most welcome. I tossed that in there since 99% of the posters get that distinction wrong and think folates in vegetables are either folinic or folic acid. Similar in some ways but different in other key ways. I still wonder if the health of ones intestinal lumen has something to do with how vegetable folates factor into various problems. I only say this since I have Celiac's so my intestines are not in good shape since it took me 40 years to determine the Celiac's. Uggh.
A few questions. Freddd, when you talk about muscle spasms from low potassium, is that the same as a cramp or Charlie horse? I’ve always assumed that to be low calcium. I had a lot more of those before starting B12. Now when I get them, I respond by upping the calcium (and magnesium).
Charlie horses are almost universally an potassium electrolyte problem. B12 will not by itself drive the potassium need. I know this from personal experience. It is the combination of methylfolate and meb12 and of course addtional methylation support only drives the need harder. Supposedly these are startup symptoms but I stop calling something startup after several months.
One odd side affect of the B12 protocol is that when I get up in the mornings, I have the sensation of deep achiness that feels like it resides deep in the bones of my feet and lower legs. If I exercise it is worse. It’s not like the pleasant achiness of a used muscle after exercise. Years ago when chronic fatigue was my primary symptom, this sensation was constant and much stronger, but that has been thirty years. It started again to a minor degree with B12 injections. Anyone have any ideas about that?
Low potassium in the intracellular space will cause muscles to ache. But not quite sure what you mean about down in the bones. I will say that muscle pain down in the feet and lower legs is ALWAYS a sign of low potassium for me and my brother. It is my main clinical barometer of my potassium status. Then again not that I think of it the feet have so many bones in them and so many muscles that it does kind of feel like bone ache when it gets bad. But you are getting this with methyl b12 alone? Curious.