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Hi Heaps, Wow this is inflammatory stuff! i couldn't find a date on this article - do you know when it was posted - is it pretty old?
I know people apply for patents for all sorts of stuff all the time - but this looks like it has a lot of scientific evidence backing it up. If Bell and Cheney were involved in some way i cant believe they would just let a lead like that drop without pushing forwards.
B cells eh!
Justy.
Bugger!!The National CFIDS Foundation later reported that they hired scientists to retrace DeFreitas's steps, and even had the help of DeFreitas in this process. They were unable to find it. This was reported in one of their newsletters.
You might want to read the interview discussed here: http://forums.phoenixrising.me/index.php?threads/interview-with-ian-lipkin.17469/. He offers a model for how different pathogens can cause the same problem.Bugger!!
its frustrating, im really starting to think we have an immune defiency and all these infections occurr because of this. The initial infection may have 'broken'?? the immune system but the infections arent the cause but are secondary to the immune defiency(nk cells?).
And anyone who does investigate it and write about it is only the more intrigued, suspicious and disturbed when they encounter all the brick walls and the immediate, angry, vicious knee-jerk denial of authorities working in and around this area, as well as the associated media blackout.
Thanks for making that important point. I've been meaning to mention that a standard system of this nature is essential to ensure trust in the process and rule out the conspiracy theory variants.Furthermore, in neither case was the integrity of the coding independently audited or accounted for. And in both cases the coding was handled by a party that was at the time or subsequently became hostile to the hypothesis in question. In DeFreitas's case, the codes were held by the CDC I believe. Enough said there.
One thing that troubles me about the Lipkin study is the possibility that he will do yet another do-or-die test with zero coding accountability. It would be incredibly easy to inspire trust by setting up a coding system with multiple keys and check-sums for independent auditing purposes.
There are only three types of explanations I can see for this pattern, though I may well have missed something:
If you read the post you quoted (post #10 above), you should clearly see that this explanation is number 1 of the 'three types of explanation' I listed, and I describe it immediately after the text you've quoted above. So it's not "another explanation", it's one of the 3 explanations I discussed.Mark, there is another explanation. Mikovitz, et. al. got the results they did from contamination and the fact that the patients and control samples were handled differently.
Barb C.:>)
ETA, I didn't see that your post was written in May so don't know if you still hold these opinions.
Do you have any supporting evidence for this claim of different handling of patients vs control samples? I'm not aware of that difference in handling having been clearly established in respect of Lombardi et al (which is what you're referring to when you mention Mikovitz et al, and which incidentally should read "Mikovits").
Samples banked in the WPI repository from 2006 to 2009 were selected for our study
from patients [...]
One hundred and eighteen control samples were provided by a local medical practice
drawn between 2004 and 2007[...]
An additional one hundred samples of purified genomic DNA and plasma and [sic] were
purchased from a local company supplied for paternity/forensic testing.