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That could not have been easy to do. Telling someone you are not a fool who has not called you one, kind of makes you sound like one.
Then why does he bother explaining that causation has not be proven?
Are we in a playground now?
But the majority do not. They are waiting for the science. So why speak as if we are all the same. (This is a myth perpetuated by psych lobby by the way, when the reality is that we reflect general society)
Alan is not our enemy, but I don't understand what else he is trying to say. I get the impression he thinks we are prejudiced about mental health problems. Yet, how can we be if we do not operate as one, and have personally experienced that same prejudice from those that claim we are prejudice about mental health problems. We know this reaction is based on ignorance and bigotry. We would not repeat it. The reason that so many patients support the none-psychiatric cause of the disease is because the science points to one, it always has, and doctors have always supported this. The psych theory is new, and based on ?????
The fact is that some people have taken these results to mean that a cause has been found. They just do. He is explaining as Dr. Alter went to great lengths to explain, that we don't have a cause as yet. This is a cautionary disclaimers that good scientists make with everything. It is not meant to demean anyone.
As far as the psych lobby- I don't want to say you're preaching to the choir, but....
I agree with you and so does everyone else here. Some people explained those views to him quite articulately in a non-defensive way.
Others, inferred their own insults from what he said, and reacted aggressively to what I thought was a great opportunity to build understanding. It is better to have him and others work with us and not create unnecessary adversarial relationships. Especially when the guy admitted to his own errors.
I know we are battle hardened because of the psych abuse- But sometimes we can be so geared up for a fight that we actually create one.
Then why write a post to everyone and not to individuals?
There is no reason to assume we are fools.
Throughout the four years our instructors told us hundreds of times: "Correlation is NOT Causation."
Yes, ofcourse you can ask, but I doubt if naming names will be constructive. Everybody has his own style of responding, and everybody means well. In general I can say that I don't think that reactions with an attacking or angry tone are helpful, especially when somebody like Alan (in my opinion) reaches out his hand to us. Whoever the shoe fits. I will not give names, because I only think it will cause more emotion and anger. If anybody thinks this comment is useful, and wants to use it, great, if not, please disregard it.
Correlation is not causation, but there is an enourmous amout of circumstantial evidence in favor of a retroviral cause, and to give equal weight to the "contamination" explanation and the "reverse causality" explanation is ignoring that evidence.
Correlation is not causation, but there is an enourmous amout of circumstantial evidence in favor of a retroviral cause, and to give equal weight to the "contamination" explanation and the "reverse causality" explanation is ignoring that evidence.
Where does cfs since 1998 say it proves causality?