The safety of haart

http://www.rebirth.co.za/court_rules_hiv_not_proven_to_ca.htm
Some may be interested to read what the German government has to say about HIV.

Other theories about what causes AIDS and about HIV negative cases of AIDS:
http://www.rebirth.co.za/hiv_does_not_cause_aids.htm

An article about CFS and HIV Negative cases of AIDS: http://www.cfsstraighttalk.blogspot.com/

More about HIV negative AIDS and chronic fatigue: http://www.rethinking.org/bmj/response_68226.html

So, you are denying that this is his voice and his statements? For your information this particular film has won several awards around the world and the film maker is not some sort of "cult" as you put it. I will not waste my time reponding to your ridicous accusations, as you clearly are misinformed about AIDS issues in general and just want to argue.

If that is so, then he is side stepping the issue, because it is verbatim out of his own mouth, not what anyone else is saying!

re: Montaigner. I assume you are referring to the trailer for "House of Numbers." Eighteen scientists, including Montaigner, made a statement that their comments were used inaccurately in this "HIV denier" film.

I would state that Grade 4 events kill AIDS patients, not some "illusive" virus that isn't in 100% of AIDS cases and sometimes the HAART kills them too. Carrigon, you are right, some people won't change their messed-up belief systems, even when presented with the facts. And you are also right, not to waste time fighting with these closed-minded people. Maybe some of them should read Dr. Justice's study and what she found killed AIDS patients. Yes, many rethinkers have written some truthful information on the subject, as you mentioned one.

Those who believe as I do will appreciate the following, the rest I don't really care what you believe in: http://www.whale.to/a/azt_q.html I also found these articles one from Mothering Magazine and the other from the state of California. http://www.whatisaids.com/mothering/aztpoisoningbabies.htm
http://www.oehha.ca.gov/prop65/prop65_list/121809list.html

This is the real truth about what kills AIDS patients: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14615655
Liver failure, followed by heart attacks, and then kidney failure. Note, that none of these are AIDS-defining diseases.

I have an wonderful environmental doctor is light years ahead of the normal physician. Have you seen one of these? Or as someone suggested, a homeopath? You are right, that these type of physicians are difficult to find, but they are a gold mine if you can find one, as they have a totally different approach to treating patients.

Noreen, this is why I rarely speak on this subject anymore, because there seem to always be people violently opposed to the idea that AIDS and CFIDS are related and that HIV does not cause AIDS. Anytime I've brought it up over the years, I've been told to shut up and go away. And it's too hard for me to fight on the subject, takes too much energy. But just know, there are alot of people who agree with every word you say. Many of us are just too sick to fight for it.

I'm a big fan of Neenya Ostrom's work on all this. She always seemed to be the only one writing the truth.

Over the years, I've seen a few CFIDS cases where the patient literally wasted away and died of all kinds of superinfections. There was no way these patients were not AIDS cases, and yet, no one ever called them so and their official causes of death were never AIDS.

I think the HIV tests are as faulty as the Lyme tests. And I've seen many false Lyme test people who got bit, were never ever sick, ran to get antibiotics, took them without ever having been sick ever, and now they claim they beat Lyme disease. Not every tick carries Lyme, alot do, but not every one of them. Just like not every mouse or rat carries the hanta virus or plague. If the tests are inaccurate and the patient is not sick, but is treated anyway, it doesn't mean they beat the disease, it just means there's a huge possibility they were false positive.

There are a small percentage of doctors who actually do help people, but that percentage is incredible low and the chances of finding one are very small, particularly when one is very ill and cannot travel alot and no longer has the money really search alot. But anyone who thinks doctors are gods today, is just ignorant. They do alot more harm than good. And if you weren't sick before you went in, they will guarantee you are sick by the time you come out.

Gallo did not say anything of the kind

http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/hiv/algallo.htm
Gallo has conceded that co-factors are needed for AIDS. I will search for an interview.

More info about Gallo and his belief that HHV6 is a co-factor for AIDS
http://books.google.com/books?id=XBPGqtlp_kUC&pg=PA103&lpg=PA103&dq=cofactor+for+aids+and+gallo&source=bl&ots=geuJEzmXfc&sig=YyARLTOIf13nL7McNvXT_4QALKo&hl=en&ei=4-G3S-fwFoW09QTius3qAw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CBwQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=cofactor%20for%20aids%20and%20gallo&f=false

So are you denying that these children didn't have horrible side effects and that some of them didn't die from the drugs?

http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2004/11/05/azt_nevirapine_children_in_new_york_orphanage_given_toxic_drugs.htm

You are also taking Montaigner out of context. He said one sentence that many have used to discontstue this man's ideas.

This was a several minute interview and it came straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak. He even stated that this is not what we have heard from Fauci, from the NIH. He is telling the truth.

Sorry for double post.